Under jobactive, you have a number of rights that are designed to protect you from unfair decisions. However, Centrelink and job agencies too often take advantage of the fact that many Newstart recipients do not know their rights.
The AUWU has studied the jobactive guidelines and created a complete guide to your rights. For a full list of the government’s jobactive guidelines, click here. If your job agency does not respect your rights, call the Department of Jobs & Small Business on 1800 805 260 to report them.
Part One: Your Rights at Employment Service Providers
Employment Service Provider Service Commitments
1.1 Employment Service Provider Service Guarantees
1.2 Employment Services Code of Practise
Your Right to a Fair Job Plan
1.3 Your Right to Carefully Consider your Job Plan
1.3.1 Negotiating a Fair Job Plan
1.3.2 Updating your Job Plan due to Changing Circumstances
1.3.3 Ensuring your Limited Work Capacity is Recognised
1.3.4 What must not be Including in your Job Plan
Your Right to Negotiate Suitable Mutual Obligation Requirements
1.4 Different Mutual Obligation Groups
1.4.1 Your Right to a Partial Capacity to Work Consideration
1.4.2 Your Right to a Temporary Reduced Work Capacity Consideration
1.4.3 Your Right to a Principal Carer Parent Consideration
1.4.4 You rRights Regarding Unforeseen Breaks in Activities
1.4.5 Your Right to Choose your Own Approved Activity
1.4.6 Your Right to be Exempt from Work for the Dole
Your Right to Change Employment Service Providers
1.5 Changing Providers Due to Change of Address
1.5.1 Changing Providers by Agreement
1.5.2 Changing Providers Due to Relationship Failure
1.5.3 Changing Providers for Better Servicing
1.5.4 Changing Providers Due to ‘Maximum Time with Provider’ Policy
Your Right to Fair Scheduling of ‘Job Search’ Appointments
1.6 Your Right to a ‘Reasonable Excuse’
1.6.1 Reasonable Excuse Definition
1.6.2 Unreasonable Excuse Determination
1.6.3 Your Right to Reasonable Notice
1.6.4 Rescheduling an Appointment after a Penalty
Your Right to be Referred to a Fair and Suitable Workplace
1.7 Your Right to Reject Unsuitable Work
1.7.1 Unsuitable Work Definition
1.7.2 Unsuitable Work for People with Partial Capacity to Work
1.7.3 Unsuitable Work for Principal Carer Parents
1.7.4 Your Right to Suitable Work
Your Right to Privacy
1.8 Refusing to Complete a ‘Pre-Employment’ Survey
Your Right to Fair Job Search Requirements
1.9 Job Search Streams
1.9.1 Your Right to Reduced Job Search
1.9.2 Paid Work Reducing Job Search
1.9.3 Other Reasons for Reduced Job Search
Part Two: Your Rights at Work for the Dole
Your Right to a Safe Work for the Dole Activity
2.1 Your Right to Work for the Dole Risk Assessments
2.1.2 Requirements of a Risk Assessment
2.1.3 Risk Assessment Checklist (Work for the Dole Place)
2.1.4 Risk Assessment (Job Seeker)
2.1.5 Your Right to Adequate Supervision
2.1.6 Special Considerations for Vulnerable Unemployed Workers
2.1.7 Insurance at Work for the Dole
Suitable Work for the Dole Organisations/Activity
2.2 Suitable Work for the Dole Host Organisations
2.2.1 Must not Displace Paid Workers
2.2.2 Banned Work for the Dole Activities
2.2.3 Your Right to Learn Suitable Skills at Work for the Dole
2.2.4 Your Right to be Exempt from Work for the Dole
Employment Service Provider Requirements
2.3 Your Right to a Work Capacity Assessment
2.3.1 Your Right to a Partial Capacity to Work Consideration
2.3.2 Your Right to a Temporary Reduced Work Capacity Consideration
2.3.3 General Legal Requirements
2.3.4 Your Right to a Principal Carer Parent Consideration
2.3.5 Your Right to be Exempt from Work for the Dole
2.3.6 Your Rights Regarding Unforeseen Breaks in Activities
2.3.7 Your Right to Choose your Own Approved Activity
2.3.8 Your Right to be Exempt from Your Mutual Obligation Requirements
Part Three: Disputing an Employment Service Provider Penalty
Employment Service Provider Penalty Restrictions
3.1 Job Seeker Compliance Framework Restrictions
3.1.2 Restrictions Reporting Non-Compliance
3.1.3 No Show, No Pay Penalties Restrictions
Appealing Against an Unfair Penalty
3.2 Launching an Appeal of a Compliance Decision
3.2.1 Your Right to a ‘Reasonable Excuse’
3.2.2 Reasonable Excuse Definition
3.2.3 Reasonable Excuse Determination
Your Right to Have Penalties Dropped
3.3 Waiving 8-week Non-Payment Penalties
3.3.1 Waiving a Failure to Meet Job Search Requirements Penalty
Employment Service Provider’s Compliance Process
3.4 Employment Service Provider’s Compliance Options (Appointments)
3.4.1 Employment Service Provider’s Compliance Options (Job Search)
Hi I’ve been given a job and want to cancel my newstart allowance but have been discouraged by my employment provider to cancel it and now I will be receiving no money as in payment as I earn to much and are having to scan my wage slip every two weeks and send it to the employment provider Neato. What should I do, this does not feel right. My concern is that I want to have a nice clean cancel from Newstart but wont be able to achieve this.
simply call centerlink and state you have work but your agency is advising you otherwise will look bad on them not you
Since being with max unemployeement ,they never have found me a job,,n over 5 years I find paid work myself,,I asked Centrelink,,n they said,,tell them the hours u do n that’s all they need ,max don’t pay your dole,Centrelink does,only declare to Centrelink earnings n employer,,not jobmobs,,they get 25 percent of your earnings or 5000 dollar finders fee of something they had no role in,,thriving scummy cunts aus company,,never have I given max cunts payslips,,that’s how they make money off unemployed people,fuck them scumbags,never have never will
Since being with max unemployeement ,they never have found me a job,,n over 5 years I find paid work myself,,I asked Centrelink,,n they said,,tell them the hours u do n that’s all they need ,max don’t pay your dole,Centrelink does,only declare to Centrelink earnings n employer,,not jobmobs,,they get 25 percent of your earnings or 5000 dollar finders fee of something they had no role in,,thriving scummy cunts U.S.A company,,never have I given max cunts payslips,,that’s how they make money off unemployed people,fuck them scumbags,never have never will
You seem like you have a great attitude mate.
Maybe stop trying to double dip, taking tax payers money while also earning plenty of your own money, Have a think about who really is the scumbag here.
If you really wanted to get a job you would, instead you blame it on everyone but yourself
Question..is it ok for (casual )workplace to tell Centrelink of knocking back shifts when not claiming money ? Cheers
I like that “Max Unemployment” lol. I agree, I’m with max also. They like all “unemployment” agencies are an F ing joke. It’s such a racket, it’s been exposed as such but the gov keeps them going…why? They literally do nothing for you. They run their bs inhouse courses so they can keep the money the gov has given them to spend on you doing courses. Last year they call me telling me about a new Centrelink mandate saying because of the time frame bla bla I now had to do an online course and these are the courses I can choose from. I picked cert 2 business…..OMG OMG it was unbelievable. The most disorganised poorly run zero benefit (to me) piece of shite I’ve ever been apart of. During the course once I realised what it was, I was very annoyed at not being given a moment to think and look for a course through a reputable training organisation for myself. I was railroaded in the phone call, grrr.
Any way, I have found myself a job now woo hoo, and am trying to find out how much money the gov has given them to spend on me for new job related items, like clothes shoes etc, I want all I’m entitled to before I go.
Did u find out about money for shoes etc?
$3000 per year per person. Non for profit organizations scamming people
You seem like you have a great attitude mate.
Maybe stop trying to double dip, taking tax payers money while also earning plenty of your own money, Have a think about who really is the scumbag here.
If you really wanted to get a job you would, instead you blame it on everyone but yourself.
Fuck off demetrious ya cunt faced mutt
Hi Andrew, Go to Centrelink – you are allowed to voluntarily cancel your own Newstart – I did when my provider became unreasonable with attending appointments whilst I had some part-time work (just under the cancellation amount but not receiving enough to make it worth me losing a day’s pay to attend an appointment!). It gave me a clean cancel from the Newstart and Centrelink’s books. You don’t need to explain anything to your provider and you won’t be hassled by them if you go through Centrelink – they’re just upset at losing an “incentive” at keeping you unemployed!
Neato have no right to see your pay slips you do not have to scan them to neato, I have never shown my pay slips to employment provider the only people that should see you pay slips are you your wife/partner , tax man and Centrelink
that is rubbish they do not have any right to your payslips. That is incorrect information
Agreed. They tried that on me months ago and I told them to go jump.
Wrong. Job Service Providers need payslips in order to to validate the hours with Centrelink. If you don’t, and you have signed a Consent form (which most people do when you are at the initial appointment) they are legally allowed to contact your employer in order to get the payslips.
Your work won’t give it to them either they tried that with me I read my contract and changed a few things including payslip one as my provider has never once helped me gain employment I found my own job and they wanted my payslips I don’t think so so I changed it and they accepted it I wrote I’ll only give U my payslips if you guys actually do ya job and help me get a job and they accepted it and then tried to say they didn’t guess who won that battle wasn’t them,I’m 40 I remember how much easier it was to get employment b4 these places existed
You are wrong, you can report your hours and pay to centrelink when you lodge, jsp’s do NOT need this information
No you don’t need to provide payslips to any job search provider. Centrelink do not even need them unless a discrepancy occurs. Your job search provider uses them to claim a bonus as they use them to represent they got you that job. I got a job with out my provider and they wanted all the details to claim the bonus for finding the job for me. You can report them for this.
I said to max in Gladstone,u wat my payslips,write on my file,,,do not tact employer directly,,in orange highlighter,it’s still there,so they get in shit if do,,as one found out as I abused the bitch,,she left month later,
Not really you can withdraw your consent at any time (bottom of your job plan👍😃
No this is incorrect. What are you talking about? by law they are not allowed to contact your employer and gain private information. They want your income to scam the system to get paid for DOING NOTHING!!!! Who have they ever helped get a job? NO ONE!!!!
Wrong, stop talking nonsense
Jenny you work for jobnetworks 🤨
No you do not have to give payslips look it up stooped ,
Hi Guys, I was sent a txt message by my JSP i only had signed up to Monday12 Sep 2022 saying I didn’t meet my Job plan requirements which I had done I thought in my first appointment. It said to contact my JSP officer or I would have my Centrelink benifits cut. I rang her and she tried to say it was because of a glitch in the computer which I think is bs. In the call after some tears she said she,d fix it and I’ll be fine to report my earning from.the job I’d found by myself 12weeks earlier before being forced to go with them after Centrelink refused my medical certificate. In the call she said she forgot but they need my payslipsbut also said she needed my payslips ? Do I need to show payslips to my provider? This is Castle Personal NSW, and have they got the power to cut me off from Jobseeker if I don’t? I have been reporting to Centrelink fortnightly for months now correctly and now that I’ve been put with a Job Agency, I get my first threatening generated txt saying I’ll have my Payments cut . Can anyone explain? Is this a tactic by Job Service Provider, Centrelink or both?
No Centrelink shouldn’t as they are linked through my gov
I have just read to day that is not a requirement..
You will still need to report your income every two weeks for the next 12 weeks in total. Once you have have 12 weeks of no new start allowance $0 you will be completely cut off from new start Centrelink payments. Then Neato or any other service provider will not contact you. Unfortantly you can not just cut your self off you need to still report for 3 months and receive no new start payment $0. Just report correctly and three months is up you don’t have Centrelink or your service provider to deal with any more. You will still get appointment with your job service provider in the first three months just call them as soon as you see your appointment time and cancel it as you are at work.
Thanks Jayne. A friend is in this situation and is very frustrated by having to report with no explanation provided as to why or for how long, given it is almost 3 months since he received a newstart payment. I will let him know your advice.
You do not have to stay registered for benefits at all.
your choice.
if you want to for the 3 month probation you can as a safety net.
Also when you first register for UB you have to have a JNP although no contact- no point ,more tax payers wasted.
If on stream 1 no assistance,so no point anyway.
I was working -shift work ,study,going to college etc and still had to go to these pointless appointments.
if it causes you problems, ring Centrelink.
no one should have to go to JNP appointments anyway at all but especially when earning 0 payments only still registered.
YOU DO NOT ….
You don’t have to report you payslips to ANYONE except CENTERLINK….PERIOD!!!
Was told this ALSO from HEAD OFFICE in Sydney…and told to ignore them or report them to Dept.
so STOP TALKING NONSENSE…and giving people false info….
I have worked casual for 3 months now. My job agency case manager messaged me today asking me for my payslips. I really dont think its any of there business wat i earn they are there to find people jobs nothing else i report every fortnight
Its part of the requirement of claiming fee from the Department of Jobs and Small Business. ( the government ).
This Department of Small business need proof of tax invoice document, something like that.
Employment Outcomes
Stream A and Volunteers Partial Outcome Full Outcome
4 Week $200 $500
12 Week $250 $625
26 Week $0 $813
Total $450 $1,938
Stream B Partial Outcome Full Outcome
4 Week $375 $938
12 Week $750 $1,875
26 Week $0 $2,375
Total $1,125 $5,188
Stream C Partial Outcome Full Outcome
4 Week $500 $1,250
12 Week $1000 $2,500
26 Week $0 $3,125
Total $1,500 $6,875
All Education Outcomes ( The hopeless provider can clam $1250 ) from the department.
All this information you can find it from the Department of Jobs and Small Business.
Jobactive Deed 2015-2020 Tender / Contract:
https://docs.jobs.gov.au/documents/final-jobactive-deed-2015-2020
Only people you report to Are Centrelink and The ATO (Australian Tax office ))
Not if you want to stay on centerlinks books. Miss one phone appointment with a job agency and your gone.
Jsp,s have a new scam now to get your payslips (1) they bait you with an job that sounds really good (mine was an aus post mail sorter job) (2)they send you to the office for an “interview” getting you to give all your details over (tax file number bank account details etc,etc,(3) then once your finished they say the job requirements have changed and your not suitable I was given a typing test to deliberately fail me .I’ve asked aus post people and you don’t need to type as a sorter. Then congratulations you’ve just joined an employment agency / labour hire company. And as you were sent ther by your jsp when you start work the employment agencies give over your slips for a cut from the jsp or vice versa . Classic bait and switch……. Now here’s the way out. As the employment agencies are technically your “employer” they cannot under law disclose your pay details to another party. If they do a lawsuit can ensue . My jsp tried to say payslips were needed to make sure I was being paid correctly and my employer was legit.what a crock…
In finishing up don’t get pressured by jsp ,s ,watch what u sign , and don’t hand over ANYTHING..without questions first.. you have more rights than you think but they don’t want you knowing what they are .they want mushrooms but
Thats okay some mushrooms are harmless but others are lethal …….it’s up to you to work out which one you are…
No Jane, you can cancel your Centrelink payments if you choose at anytime you do not have to wait.
My wife lost her full part time job due to coercion to get a jab in Coles. She wants to work! The jp all the way along never assisted her in getting a job, the Coles job she received via a friend.
Now the jp tells her to do 25 hrs per week volunteer work for an opportunity shop and not even offering her fuel or anything!
Seems really unfair….?
Yes. What he said ^^
That is absolutely rubbish, if you cancel your new start because of work you don’t have to report to them anymore just time you change over is sufficient and legal, they don’t own you for 3 months , you aren’t receiving support they got no say, just the period of starting to make sure the final payments are correct.
Correct 👏🏻
You should be clearer on this. You report your income to Centrelink every fortnight, not to any JSA. Your JSA wants your payslips so that they can claim ‘outcome’ payments at 1 minth, 3 months, 6 montjs and possibly 12 months while you’re in 5he job.
You do NOT have to povide them to your JSA. Ever.
Just report your income to Centrelink using your MyGov account.
If your job takes you off allowance altogether, call in to Centrelink and advise them. At that point you are under no obligation whatsoever to the JSA.
They can check with the ATO
You can so cut yourself off.. here is how.. you are working… stop reporting … ignore service provider and get on with your life 💯 easy … also you can just walk in or call and tell them. What they do with that info … not your problem … you absolutely don’t have to declare your income for 12 weeks … they have no right to that data of you not receiving an income support payment
Nonsense, you do not need to report to someone who pays you nothing. If you get a job and cut centrelink ties completely, refusing to report at all then this can lead to a long wait before receiving centrelink again if you lose your job, whereas if something ends your job while you’re still reporting to centrelink then you just continue getting your normal centrelink allowance when you report that you earned zero
You have a right to cancel your Newstart allowance at any time and the day you stop working or if you don’t get work for a two week period you can re-apply.. think of it as compensation for time unemployed. Sounds like your job provider wants you funding. Makes their stats look good even if you got the job on your own accord.
If you got the job yourself they are using you.
I believe they get extra funds for your compliance – if you can go to Centrelink and ask, I also believe they are the only ones who are supposed to get a copy of your wages/income.
Andrew,
You seem to have missed the reasons why they still have you reporting to them. If for whatever reason the new job doesn’t work out, you’re still able to receive benefits without having to do too much.
It’s a stressful time to find your feet and they are there to provide you with further assistance, but it’s up to you to use the initiative and make the most of what they can do for you.
If there’s any training that would benefit your new employer, they have access to make that training happen for nothing. They can give you many fuel cards, repair your car to make sure you have all the right support in your corner.
You have access to a psychologist, $250 to spend on work clothes, more money for shoes, and if you are struggling to find where you fit in, they help with that too. They are interested in you staying there long term and understand money can make it that much easier. You’ll still receive money from them two more times I think too. Our government has already allocated an amount for this area and cutting yourself off is only a disservice to yourself.
I asked for relocation assistance when starting a full-time job and it was denied. I received no assistance at all, only hindrances from my provider.
Dearest in the Lord,
Firstly, I apologize for sending you this sensitive information via e-mail instead of a Certified Post-mail, please permit me to inform you of my desire of going into business relationship with you.
I know this mail may come to you as a surprise, since we have not known or written before. Introducing myself, I am Miss. Elvine Potte 19 years of age the only child dauhter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Raymong Potte, my father was a Gold and cocoa merchant based in Accra, Ghana and Abidjan (Ivory Coast), he was poisoned to death by his business associates on one of their business trips.
Before the death of my father on 2019 in a private hospital here in Abidjan, he secretly called me on his bedside and told me that he has a sum of USD$9.655M (Nine Million Six Hundred And Fifthy Five Thousand U.S), deposited in a Bank here in Abidjan, Cote d’Ivoire, that he used my name as his only Dauhter for the next of kin in depositing the fund.
He also explained to me that it was because of this wealth that he was poisoned by his business associates, that I should seek for a foreign partner in a country of my choice where I will transfer this money and use it for investment purpose such as expansion of his existing cocoa business and real estate management here on how best to transfer this money to overseas please.
I am humbly seeking your assistance in the following ways:
1) To assist me in providing an account of yours where this fund can quietly be transferred into.
2) To serve as the guardian of this fund since I am still 19 yrs without any experience in nature of this project.
3) To make arrangement for me to come over to your country to further my education and to help me secure a residential permit in your country.
Moreover, I am willing to offer you 15% of the total sum as compensation for your effort/input after the successful transfer of this fund into your nominated account overseas, while 5% will be set aside to offset any expenses we may incur. Furthermore, you can indicate your option towards assisting me as I believe that this transaction would be concluded within the shortest possible time if you signify interest to assist me.
God bless you.
Yours sincerely,
Miss. Elvine Potte.
I have the bank details for AFP if you would like to flick your cash over to them? Cheers
Not true, I was with a disability provider in Footscray Vic, they stated I could have no money nor clothes or shoes outside of an accompanied trip to K Mart across the road to buy the cheapest of basics under supervison of a “Case Worker”, a humiliating experience for any adult.
They called me into the office with the promise of a petrol voucher, when I arrived after rushing from work I was told it had just been given away to someone else.
I found my own full time job, they continued harrassing me to attend appointments and called my phone all day wanting payslips despite me finding and keeping my own full time casual government job.
My consultant Ali told me unless I provided payslips for him to give to his supervisor, I would receive no help from them and that they would keep calling me for appointments, as it was expected that I engage in a “give and take” arrangement with the provider, this sounded like defrauding the Commonwealth, consequently I declined and blocked their phone numbers and emails.
I remain in full time casual work with no knowing engagement with this provider, I am still on Centrelink books as I have children and a disability, I suspect this provider is still using me as KPI and funding statistic.
These provider employees are the true Welfare scum. These businesses need closing down and their employees prosecuted for Human Rights abuses and fraud.
They get paid for the amount of contact they have with you and I am pretty sure they also get a bonus at the 4 month mark. You can cancel their service, especially when you no longer receive centrelink benefits, I’m almost certain?
Don’t forget the re engagement fee they get every time they cut you off
I so agree with what you just said.they don’t give you anything to get work or help with transport or fuel,the networks make money by keeping you on there books.
Some providers actually do help. My last one paid for my driver authority, so I can drive taxis and limos and my current one is paying for my current course. They have also given me fuel vouchers and will possibly pay for my HR license, so I can drive trucks.
I agree with you Rita. The job providers keep you on the books for as long as they can and do nothing for you. What a rip!
Yes I got my own casual job. Next they are asking for payslips which I don’t get. I work as a cleaner and get paid directly from clients.
Next I get a call saying email my receipts.
Then I get a call saying I need to pay to get an ABN which I was told I don’t need one by the company I work for. They also want me to email them invoices that I’m now supposed to give. What?? And that would be such a hassle. I won’t earn enough to get off Centrelink anyway. I also will not be earning enough to be taxed. So they can go jump!!!
did a work for the dole,. insurance deed $10m. to cover such situations. absolute bullshit, now days im unemployable , dealing with an accident thats life threatening , that was tursa Grafton,. they had me down as a volunteer , so they cover up, brake downs in communication, down right self loathing people. . typical for most employment agents . working for the dole is a constitution violation , pushing you from day to day living. so . dont try seeing a doctor about medical conditions . let alone workers compensation. yes working for the dole is a job, all be it $20 over 14 days. Unemployed have no rights , whats so ever. all contracts are legal binding. sign nothing . oh before forgetting, inheritance , you dont need to claim that to centrelink either. they have no rights whats so ever, point blank
These are also my exact words and truths
This is happening to me now ..I start (casual) full time hour employment on Monday
..in the last 48 hrs since refusing their ‘demands’ I give them my payslips..they have made me an appointment for today to ‘work for the dole’ (one day before I start 5 day a week paid employment I have found myself.. they have known by me informing them of my upcoming work for a month and re informed 4 times in the last few weeks ..they know I won’t do a day’s work for the dole as I will be in paid work full time ..they tricked me into working for the dole in 2021 and cheated me out of potential (probable) paid work in the process ..they are attempting to do it again by lying, and attempting to undermine me ..not this time ..but it’s getting outright scary ..I have been unable to sleep or get this injustice out of my head ..but what do you call it when an agent sets you up to wfd a day before you start full time employment when they know you won’t do a day for obvious reasons.. sounds like intentional to wit defrauding the system and tax payer ..seems to me this should be the utmost criminal offense ..they even rang me last week and asked me to have two days off paid work a week to do a phony course out the back of their office in a closet basically.. “That’ll do me!” ..I want legal advice ..I want them to be stopped ..and reprimanded for this criminal intentional conduct ..there’s a laundry list of other thing I could go on about but ..they are intentionally breaking my mental health and disrupting my own efforts to get off the system ..it’s clear that’s intentional too ..(literally was told not to go to a job I had found myself) 🤨🧐
BS. U are flat out getting 1 pair of shoes, 1 to, @ pair of pants, and all the above u mentioned, lol, mate doesn’t happen here in regional qld, its all a big money schemer on human beings in dire and treated like a low life, they DO NOT HELP the way ur words printed. False Information u people spread.
That’s to NKaschke
Your employment provider wants to keep getting paid for doing nothing. They are costing lots and lots of money for Australian tax Payers!! Tell centre-link URGENTLY!!! You also may get a employment entry payment. But you might be too late, having only 14 days to do so.
Hi Andrew, Your employment provider has no right to ask for a scanned copy of your payslip go to centrelink and talk about your situation, im sure they will sought it out
Just cancel it u Twat
You can still get the dole after getting a job depending how much you earn, it’s called work credit
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I’ve been on new start for ages and it’s been about 1 year since I’ve had a operation due to my discs in my back, I tried to get on a disability claim, Centrelink told me I need more information and what not, they thought I was just a bullshit artist, till it came a point where my job agency told me I needed to do work for the dole which I then told them I couldn’t due to my problems in my back they said “have you applied for disability pension” I said yes but they want more information, she tells me I still need to do it, so I was like “alright I’ll do it but it’s in your hands” the first day I went I faked out my back was fucking me up, I was laying on the floor calling for help and everything, got taken to the hospital, they said the same thing my doctor said you’ve got a a bad disc problem I told I know but Centrelink don’t care they still want me working for the dole, he told me to sue them, anyways with that being said I had all the documents that I had from the hospital and what not and showed them to Centrelink and said what other documents do you want from me? From then on I ended up with a disability claim…
Could you imagine the hassle just for them to be lithe fact you can’t work when you really can’t, fucking idiots
People can still do some kind of work..Weather you have a Mental or Physical Disability
You can also work a bit while on the Disability Support Pension. You just have to let Centrelink know and report your income to them.
For people who have mental or physical disabilities, a job that is suitable for them (taking into account their disabilities) is important. It can be difficult finding a suitable job for someone with disabilities; it can also take a very long time. Of course this alone is not a reason to go on the DSP, but the DSP can help people whose disabilities are significant barriers to employment.
Also, some people on the DSP don’t intend to be on it for the rest of their lives– only until they’re able to work and earn enough to live independently.
Did you get your job through the network job provider? If not Do not send them your payslips it is none of their business and you are not required to send them to the job provider. They just want them to use to scam the government out of more money. If you dont wish to remain with them just cancel your Job seeker payment and it will automatically cancel your job provider. If you dont think the job will last then its worth staying registered with Centrelink but if it will last you dont need to give any of them anything
You don’t have to send them payslips. Ring centerlink and cancel yourself . Job networks want your payslips to get bonus money for themselves
I was wondering the same thing, turns out they get paid for finding you a job, as long as it stays consistent for 3 months (which is a typical probation period) I also had mine send through a “job referral” for the job I already got… but I don’t mind them getting paid for helping me as they paid for my studies, licence and work clothes.
“Job Network providers are paid a fee for placing an eligible job seeker in a vacancy that has been advertised on the national vacancy database, JobSearch. The job seeker must complete a specified amount of paid employment in the vacancy and within a given period for providers to be paid a fee.”
Jobseeker runs out after 12 weeks anyway so it will automatically cancel if you do not submit a fortnightly claim
for six fortnights
The have access to the ATO they know what you earn their just wasting your time
It’s because they make money from you working . They probably acted like they got you the job when they didn’t as my old employment provider done . Keeping you reporting and sending your pay skips mean they get extra pay. They’re ass holes . Just don’t do it . You’ve got nothing to lose
Does anyone have a link to credible information explaining that JSAs don’t have the right to request payslips please? I’ve been googling for some time now and, while there’s plenty of comments on many pages stating that JSAs don’t have the right to do so but I need something solid I can throw at them that they can’t argue wit44444I am in a similar situation, gained my own part time employment but now they’re saying I need to send my payslips every fortnight but it doesn’t feel right. I’ve tried to push back about it but they put their foot down. My payment was suspended from a missed appointment (scheduled on one of my work days), and they wouldn’t reactivate it till I sent payslips. Said they need them to verify I am actually employed, even though they already have a copy of my contract and first month’s payslips.
Be careful, as most employers are scamming the system and after 3 months they get a wage subsidy, then make up lies and sack people, then get another for 3 months and so on, repeating same thing. Its happened to me many times..
On 2 occasions by 2 different job networks in Geelong, they faked a job at steggles, took my personal info, told me they will let me know start date, then nobody heard from them again..1st time was the very 1st network in Geelong, St Laurence in Belmont, they made me sit an aptitude test at the network, sent me over for the interview which did not exist, and 3 different people at steggles told me that ld been fooled by the network and there is no job. When l complained l copped all sorts of harassment and put downs by all involved.
And after 4 hours on the phone to this crew, to only find out they are as shifty as job networks, all thanks to a Josh who has only been working there a week and fucked me around by lying to me, and tellin me call back if needed, no josh, no record of 3 calls afterwards, hung up on, kept on hold, bullshitted to by other people. THIS IS FAKE THIS SITE, JUST AS CORRUPT AS OTHERS..my lawyer will have a field day with these scammers.
im with sarina russo. started work full time contract 6 months ago and these buggers at sarina russo wont stop hounding me to give them my wage information. i tell them centrelink has it and i wont be providing it to them as i am not legally obliged to. they got a bit narky on the phone with me and refuse to stop calling about it so i literally swore at them with the F bomb and added the work OFF after it. they still keep calling… today i block their number. i plan to stop dealing with centrelink completely now.
Don’t send and just leave it all and enjoy your new job. They using your job search and your new job for kick backs they don’t deserve, unless you feel they did something special for you
Me useless provider has put me into Work for the Dole activity where I do stuff all that’s even remotely related to me old job! I’ve told them idiots so many times that I can’t work right now because I suffer from depression, anxiety, alcohol dependency, and a heavy gambling addiction. I’m no educated man, but the term WORK FOR THE DOLE (operative word: WORK!!) implies a WORKING activity!!! I CAN’T!!! I’ve b*tched to Centrelink but they’re just as useless as the other mob! Morons, the lot of them.
The point of my post is to ask someone here if they know how to avoid getting out of a job interview they’ve arranged for me without getting me money cut for 8 weeks?? I have FAR too many things going on to have to go to a damn job interview. I’ve even explained to them that I had a vacation planned to go to Thailand for 6 weeks next week but Centrelink strikes again!! I can’t get paid while I’m overseas! Why is it that the working class get to have a normal life and go have fun!?? Are we, the helplessly unemployed not entitled to just as much of a good life as those that work? That’s discrimination mate. Not on.
Hey Billy’s get a Centrelink medical certificate from your doctor works every time they cannot overrule a doctor
They do it. I am 60. The Centrelink not take my medical certificate more than a year.
I have 5 blood clots in my heart. I have to looking for job or they stop my payment.
I cant do any job, they all know that but I have to looking for. Every week twice see the Jobseeker office.
That’s disgraceful!!! You can have this decision overturned by the Appeals Administrative. I had mine overturned by them as I believed Centrelink were being le.
Why aren’t you on Disability???
Because they are getting tougher & stricter on DSP
Oh yes they can and they do!
They do over rule the doctor, they did it to me. My condition is permanent, they pretty much told me they could care less. They refused my exemption when the last 3 stated I have agoraphobia, anxiety disorder and PTSD with no chance of improvement. I tried to start a in home online business to avoid the pitfall of having to be in the general public by being forced into job search and still be productive and not get cut off. I currently work from home 15hrs or more a week which is still a struggle as I have health conditions as well with my heart, and my disorder is impossible to manage sometimes. Now my Disability job search provider says by my quarterly income that my business isnt making adequate money and that they need to have me actively seeking employment elsewhere. I have had the business less than a year. I had many exemptions, 5 years worth, but this is being totally ignored by Centerlink and Jobmatch. Centerlink says by me running my business from home 15hrs per week Im meeting my requirements, but they wont tick the box because I need to pay myself a wage for 15hrs a week. Im running at a loss, and its impossible to guarantee what I’ll make every two weeks as it takes time to have a new buisness gain a foothold, its impossible to restock my items to sell if I drain the account into my own pocket. Like I said I just started this business in November last year, and even Centerlink said they dont expect a buisness to be in profit for at least a year. Ive seen a psychiatric doctor, a psychological doctor and am being treated by my regular doctor, and am diagnosed but I cant catch a break with the dole requirements. I have even offered to take a buisness management course at Tafe but the Jobmatch representative told me they wasnt sure that would meet my requirements. Im so frustrated. If feeling like there is no mercy or hope even though im trying with everything I can to overcome my issues. What should I do? I feel like Jobmatch is going to force me into a job or try and make me do something I cant do like work for the dole in public, and when I refuse to not do it because the last time I was in a crowded place I pissed my pants from a anxiety attack,, I’ll be cutoff with no way to survive. Im lost can someone give me any advice?
I just wanted to say, I do not, and have not ever taken a drug I wasnt perscribed, I don’t drink or smoke. I have suffered severe traumatic events that I had no control over. My teeth are rotting out of my head for reasons unknown and Ive tried 3 times to get them out but panic till my dentist told me he couldnt help. I have insomnia, have bouts where I collapse and sleep for days, and then wont sleep for 24 hours or more. Im not suicidal but sometimes I feel like I don’t care if I die, and have went 3 days at a time before without eating due to being gripped with sadness. Anxiety attacks and even angry mood swings are my life no matter how hard I try to fight it off.. I have high blood pressure and a resting heart rate of well over 100 and up to 210 beats per minute without medicine. Somedays its all I can do to exis, but I still try to be relevant.
But Jobmatch says I need to be seeking active employment, and Centerlink wont tick the box to get the bastards off my back.
Hi, you should apply for the DSP. Print the forms out, see your GP and asked to be referred to a psychiatrist. Centrelink won’t accept a psychologist report. Also ask your GP for a 3 – 6 month med cert. But make sure within that time you get properly diagnosed, but you don’t to take any medication if you don’t want to (Ie: you have allergies, etc.). So long as your conditions aren’t being managed, they may put you on DSP. If they don’t, you can appeal it.
If that doesn’t work out, focus on your business and look for work. Who cares what you look like, if the employer doesn’t want to hire you, that’s theirs’ and the govs’ problem, not yours.
Good luck
Hi. I see this is an older post (over four years old at time of my reply) just wondering what your situation is now so as to know whether to bother getting in touch with you. Hope you’ve weathered the storm better than you could have hoped for.
I had a centerlink staff comment on my son’s certificate when he lodged today.he has been through hell partner left,lost his home,has no were to live,and is on medication at the moment,yet she had the nerve to say what an other certicate you have been on that for awhile now,my son got so upset he walked out,and I had to find him to calm him,he is in a very bad way and is getting,but that comment hit him hard,if I was not there at the time he would have done something terribly wrong to him self,how dare she judge what she knew nothing about.
Get off the grog and stop gambling you looser! No wonder you think you’re depressed. It’s people like you who make it hard for genuine people to claim benefits. People who can’t work and who won’t piss the cash away on alcohol and gambling. Get a life or sort yours out. I suffer real issues, I barely leave the house let alone plan a lavish overseas holiday.
Hi perhaps be quiet. he could be an internet troll just like you. People go through social problems we are not here to judge.
Ha Ha Ha , Now that’s funny
If you’re wanting compassion for YOUR situation, damian argent, could you perhaps start by showing it to others? A comment like that could have more impact on a person than you may realise.
‘Be the Change You Wish to See in The World’
However, I do agree that the comment by Billy Bruff looks ‘sus’, which is a real shame as it casts doubt on those who really do face barriers and challenges and are in a desperate situation.
You can undertake drug/alcohol rehabilitation as part of your work for the dole requirements. Also talk to your doctor about giving you a letter at least detailing your inability to cope and what diagnoses you have. If they hear you want to go on holiday then you’re not exempt from job search or work for the dole since you’re well enough to go away.
Go to doctor and get medical certificate for 3 to 6 months as long as you see a shrink once a month they’ll leave u alone
You dont get PAID you get a handout mate.
Take the job or take it up the arse
What job?
Hope you never get in this guys position mate you are a Moron.
Try carbon monoxide poisoning sounds like your a waste of life
Are you implying that society needs to fund your unemployment benefits to keep up your degenerate ways?
You’re insane.
It’s the dim witted entitled mentality that pathetic specimens like you have that stigmatize all people on the Newstart Allowance.
Gambling and drinking are not inherent rights that you can exercise whenever you want.
They are privileges you pay for with your own personal income.
I suppose trying to argue with a person like you that has willfully renounced reason is akin to administering medicine to the dead.
This so called Unemployed Worker’s Union destroys what little credibility that they have by allowing submissions like the one I am replying to, to remain public for all to see.
Christopher, I hope you haven’t permanently become cynical of those who genuinely are in a dire situation … by your emotionally charged response I think that you – as well as I, initially! – have ‘been had’ by someone looking for some ‘cheap laughs’ at the expense of others. Sad for those who genuinely are in a depressing situation who are trying desperately to be taken seriously. I wish all of those people strength in what I understand to be draining circumstances that can suck out of you the very will to live.
Seriously Billy!!! It’s probably too late for you to read this but did you ever wonder why we all get treated so badly when we are on the dole.It’s because of people like you!!! You want free money. no job interviews and have a holiday in Thailand. You are not helplessly unemployed, you are just a lazy dole bludger making the rest of us genuine unemployed people look bad. Why can’t you do work for the dole…because it’s actual work…lol..get off your lazy ass and do some work and maybe get some self respect at the same time and stop whining cause your not getting a totally free ride in life. The rest of us actually want to get a head in life.
This is a general reply to all the poeps grilling the alcho I’m absolutely gutted at your judgements that you can glean so much from such a small comment sickens me has anyone ever heard of solidarity that’s what this place is about you don’t know what drove this person to where they are and I’m sure I don’t need to mention some horror stories that occur in society now besides possibly making an unstable person genuinely suicidal how bout entertaining the idea that these actions and habits are part of an underlying mental problem I’m sure if they had dementia you wouldn’t be so judgmental how bout we offer support people like this need so they can work and don’t piss off ignorant assholes like you poeple
Haha what a wanker completely taking the piss on dole bludgers
Go to your doctor get him to give u a Centrelink Medical Certificate if u have the problems u say u then u should be being treated by a doctor physocoligist maybe AA If u are not getting help get some of u are your doctor will have a mental health plan for u and will give u a Centrelink Medical Certificate and treatment u still will have to look for work.after u are stable but u be assigned to a disability work Agency who will work with u your doctor and take your treatment into consideration I have similar problems to u and have to look for 1 job per month but when I disclose to potential employers the medication I am on they cannot employee me as they would be making there workplace a danger not only to u but others that may work there. They must supply a safe workplace if u or someone does get hurt after u disclosed your situation u could sue for all they have u would take them to the cleaners. Get Some help Bud get yourself right then work ons other things will just fall into place we all have ups and downs in life
hey billy im pretty sure if you get a centrelink medical certificate for 3 months that should do the trick for you. I did that and i got out of work for the dole AND looking for work. HAHA! sucked in suckers! Im an Australian im entitled to this money without having to do anything!
if you have given them one before though you can just get an esat and if you cry a lot and tell them you are sad they will feel sorry for you and put you in DES. DES never suspend your payment, its the best, my friend gets away with everything!
You are so right billy. I’m with these asshole now and the job services continue to threaten everyone that goes in there with cancel payments. I have seen one person said they were going to kill them self because they needed help. But the job lady said to him in front of us “good ,go do it then you will be off our books.” Right in front of us can you believe that. They are the nasty people at advanced personnel management (APM) it’s on suite 3101 level 1 10 banfield street Chermside.
The women’s names are Vanessa and kelli. Can you believe it they still work there and they didn’t get into trouble at all for saying that. We are all entitle to the money, no one say’s anything about refugees they are all on centerlink payments, so why can’t white Australians. You can hear them talking to clients in there and everyone of them have done what they suppose to do , so why do they keep threatening people money for, ego trip?.
That’s disgraceful!!! You can have this decision overturned by the Appeals Administrative. I had mine overturned by them as I believed Centrelink were being unreasonable
Why aren’t you on Disability???
Wow! Really!..some of us are having genuine problem’s with job active.
Wow it’s people like u that stuff it up for genuine people with real problems u should be ashamed of yourself. Why wouldn’t u want to work if u are fit and well. U shore will not make anything of yourself. I honestly don’t know how u could live happily on $550 a fortnight. I know I wish I was well again and earning $$2500 a week and showing the kids u get nothing in life if u don’t work. Set some goals for yourself bud a reason to live u may amaze yourself of what u can do and how good u feel
Hi,
I have been unemployed for 4 months but have not claimed the government Newstart / unemployment benefit as it appears from the information available to me that it is asset – tested. This means that because my wife is employed and earning a salary, that i am not entitled to a government dole / benefit. Is this corrct, and if so, what conditions are in force?
Kind Rgds,
Frank
Depending on your wifes income you might still be entitled to some benefit and a healthcare card simply apply for it and give it a go dont waste your savings
Hello, I am 57 years old and have decided to do volunteering instead of work for the dole. I am ‘partial’ health issues and have to do 15 hours a week. I would like to know if I have to do this till I get the pension at 67? I did read under the shedual ‘Job seekers over 60 do not have an Annual Activity Requirement but may choose to do volunteer work.’ This sentence is confusing! I know I’m not a Job seeker but a volunteer, and yet it does say you may CHOOSE to do volunteer. It doesn’t say you may do volunteer instead, but you may choose to do volunteer! Would like your comment. Thank you.
A. Ebneter
My question exactly – the new rules from 2018 say that if you are over 60 you will be required to volunteer 10 hours a fortnight. I am currently 62 and have to volunteer 30 hours a fortnight to receive Newstart (although the current rules say that over 60’s do not have an activity requirement) – does this mean I will only have to do 10? It is not clear at all!
I too would like to know , 60yrs old doing 30 hrs per fortnight …How come wfd get such and easy run , I know form personal info that it is so easy for them and yet I do 30hrs combined form 2 different volunteer placements.One of which is not good at all , the other very good , treats you with respect . Can I only do 7.5 hrs @per week and keep my new start allowance.Wfd done do much at all and seem like they take days off very easy with no problems.
If the volentry work exazbarates your condition you do not have to do the volentry work as stated by dss
Im 63 this year and currently doing 15 hours per week volunteer work.im strugglying to keep this up due to an ongoing back problem.im wanting to know how i go about getting my hours reduced.there are times i do not feel i can keep going my pain is that bad. Is it true i will only have to do 10 hrs per fortnight in july 2018. I need answers i need to work out what i am going to do.
That right, 10hs per fortnight.
Yep you have to do that until you reach pension age, I am in the same boat
The whole employment and land hoarding system in this country is merely a rebranded form of the convict slave system which founded this state/nation. It’s time to demand a national apology from the UK Crown for its past and present slavery.
I’m hearing you Paul
Is there a way to resign from a casual job without penalties? Can I leave a casual job without any penalty from the job agency (who now has power to cancel Centrelink payments at will) as well as Centerlink themselves. I’m a part new start recipient and have been reporting my income and hours.
Retrenched in 2013. I seem to pick up a job once in a while to get by as Centrelink will not pay me newstart as I do not meet the criteria and at this point in time in 3 years I doubt I’ll get a pension for the same reason as I own a property or 2 which I brought some time ago. In the last 3 years I have had 2 hernia operations and spent 4 months in Perth for cancer treatment. I tried to get a disability allowance and or the dole but failed as I was too healthy and could work for up to 15 hours a week. So up till now the 8th Sept 2016 I have tried 5 times to get the dole and failed. I see people walking past my house at 11 am to get their daily supply of tax payer paid for booze and what do I get for the years of tax I paid…..fa.
Totally agree , we worked hard paid taxes & we have had misfortune late in life only to be penalised. Why do those who have not contributed a cent through taxes get away with Blue murder? All we ask is for a fair go for our last few years of working life .
We are hard working people Aussies who care but cant get work now due to age discrimination.
My question is how does a person survive on $250 per week from Centerlink, and why is there no categories for the people that are on Centerlink as I know there are a lot of people claiming Centerlink when they have hardly worked anytime in their life and they are quite capable of working but just don’t want to work, I would categorize this person on level 1, Then we have people that have worked many years but unlucky to lose their job (category 2) I believe these people should get a better deal than category 1, Then we have people like myself who has worked all my life and my last job of 30 years I was made redundant and at the age of 64 I have problems trying to get employment, Centerlink has gave me the option of applying for 20 jobs a month or do 15 hours a week of voluntary work, ok I am doing the voluntary work but this does not help the fact that I am only getting $250 a week, so if I try to make some extra money doing some part time work Centerlink just takes it of me so I am dammed either way. My wife is in the same boat, she is a housewife and has not needed to work as I have been the bread winner, but that has come to a sad end, My wife does a few hours work a week only to have it taken by Centerlink, So the bottom line is you are not allowed to have any money in your pocket as the Centerlink payments do even meet the bills you have to pay, This is definitely not a way to treat a person who has paid his taxes for 45 + years and was unlucky to lose his/her job at a late age in life, there is nothing worse than sitting in a Centerlink building waiting to be served and being treated like you are a bum wanting free money to do nothing…
I totally agree with you Joe.Thirty years of paying tax and the bastards treat you like shit
If you have an ongoing medical problem (sciatic nerve pain in this instance) supported by a medical certificate, can the Employment Services Provider dismiss that med cert and send you to whatever work-for-the-dole activity they want? Is there any way to make the Employment Service Provider sign an agreement that they are liable if such an activity causes further injury or harm?
im going through the same all u can do is throw them copies of there duty of care eg they cant just ignore a medical cert and that they are possibly putting u in a unsafe work place due to your condition ill keep u updated they r like debt collectors only out there to pick up as many commissions they can u on so they can line there own pockets
ill keep u updated i refuse to look for work as i know that with my condition i could not function safely
My Job net work is taking credit for my own hard work in getting a job and have provided no help applying or even a cover letter that I have written my self along with my resume and interview clothing that I bought my self I asked for assistance with Ppe if I do get a start and they wanted details of the job I applied for so I gave them details on the job interview to find that they have contacted the work place to speak about my interview. It was uncalled for I had no knowledge of them doing that I feel they wrecked my chance in gaining employment with that company as they are really busy and had to take the time to speak to her about my interview
Speak with law enforcement agencies and have them look into it. That kind of falls under exploitation and scamming the system.
I was unfortunately on part benifits over 5 years ago before that 10 years ago short term before these living nightmares called JNP existed.
Yes, they take false credit( which is fraud) for getting jobs, people get themselves or have before you even have the misfortune of having them forced on you against your will for no good reason.
If you refuse to tell them where you are working when you cancel your Centrelink registration ,they contact the tax department to find out where you are working to make a false claim.
Also they keep the money allocated for shoes,uniforms when you get a job and tell you are not entitled,although you know you have the money available.
Also you do not have to participate in market research -selling your information to data base collectors you have nothing to do with nor ever want too, they do not remove your name nor identity during the data processing stage,they don’t need to access your name & details at any stage.
actual market research has already been carried with everyones names and details removed and is available free with a quick click of a computer mouse.
Also if you don’t consent against your will they cut off or delay benefits which is illegal and forced duress not consent.
They got me to fill out and sign the Centrelink contract but only including 2 pages of the terms and conditions and sent the other pages in the mail several days after I signed them- this is not legal.
Also Get copies of everyrhing you sign immediately.too …….
Privacy & confidentiality laws do not include confidential medical records under doctor patient confidentiality laws.
Why are these Australian censuses information keep,not needed for there purpose and never used to be. (I was receiving 0 payment for 8 weeks and got the job before I meet this woman or registered with her JNP Agency) at a group interview which served no purpose.
She told us she had the legal right to access medical record she had no need nor my legal required consent ,I contacted QLD Health and said No previously..;I was not on a disability pension nor sickness Benefit -only the Centrelink needs to access this medical information for correct payment and only that particular information)
I was indirectly threatened with false accusations of Centrelink fraud if I didn’t keep quite.
if you have a complaint; the person you have a complaint about is the one the investigates it and obviously decides there is no issue, beyond corrupt.
I contacted a privacy advocate via private email which they accessed.
I don’t know what they told her but she was nice and helpful but after that she wasn’t.
They claim to have the right to falsify your official records if you complain under the clause” opinion does not have to be fact.”
They say 1 in 12 have incorrect information on their medical records and official records but deliberately falisfy them with disgusting lies to violate people and interfer with them getting employment. etc is disgusting,as punishment for legitimate complaints.
See my other comments to please.
How many people are they traumatizing,debasing dehumanizing;causing serious real mental stress & anguish so wrongly and unnecessarily.
Also you have to go to pointless appointments and tell your employer you cannot work that day if they have shifts avsilable.
Also they interfer with your employment or sabatage it if you foolishly let them know where you are working or where you go for interviews;only tell them about the jobs that do not respond to you or say you were unsuccessful.
This is happening to so many people,different violations,it doesn’t seem to end.
They seem to do their best to unnecessarily delay payments to cause more financial hardship I have heard recently?
What is going on out there?
Why?
Also so many people are losing their jobs to unnecessary oversea contracts, this vis not job creation.
Also many people,so many, self diagnosis on the internet anonymously to protect themselves or not reporting or seeking medical care or counseling when victims of violent physical or sexual assaults because they do not want to be violated more with the digusting humiliation(no safe boundaries,no safety) of anyone and everyone knowing or finding out;forced to relive traumas by humilation or perverted entertainment or paracitical financial gain (not saying that everyone would know or want to know but this information is freely available on the internet without consent unnecessarily
for the paracitical financial gain of these disgusting database collectors.
I was wondering if you are on a employment agency appointment and there is a job that needs my email are they aloud to look at my private email account seeing what l have there they didn’t go into the emails but looked at the list of emails
I feel this is invading my privacy he flicked my email account off and asked that l close my email account and he said it is gone l said put in url and it appeared so had it logged off
Felt l should have right or can they do this
i was given a 2 yr unfit for work cert from doc centre link gave me 6 mnths no reporting to job provider out of the blue around 6 months later i have msg to report to work provider again so i went in gave them a new not fit for work cert they pretty well ignore it and just made me sign new job plan and next date to attend there office with requirements that work ive looked for
im going to ignore it and when i go bak to provider next week ill tell them i haven’t fulfilled there requirements as im unfit for work and tell them they have acted improperly by making me look for work when they know im not for work
am i on the right track ive had collapsed lung 3 times i now have severe gen desise in my spine and its trapping nerves between the bones extremely painful im awaiting surgery but its a 18 month waiting list
My job network provider cut my payment off for failure to attend a appointment even tho i called that day earlier to tell them i had a doctors appointment. I called them today only for them to tell me i didn’t bring in my centrelink medical certificate to them by 5pm that day . Ive never been asked to do that before to bring in that day by 5pm . I lost my cool i suffer from depression and anxiety and anger management and i have two bulging disks in my lower back for which i am receiving medical help and physio. Is there such a thing as this 5pm deadline ? Btw Sarina Russo werribee vic is the provider .
Sarina Russo are pathetic I’m in NSW their staff are rude and do not return calls or emails when you contact them. They demand I provide payslips to them even though I report my income religiously even overstating at times due to fact that sometimes my reporting date falls at odds with a pay cycle and I don’t have access to get payslips sent to my personal email they go to my work one which I do not have remote access to
That’s really unprofessional start a case and have them all fired.
Pleased provide information mate, I’m going for a takedown, they are onto the cashless card pork barrel, poor old Great Barrier Reef, no wonder we are loosing it, if we think socialites will rub shoulders with the right politicians.
Hi fellow unemployed heathens,
I’ve recently entered into a job plan (Friday) and have been put into some 25hr per week course, starting on Monday.
At my appointment on Friday I asked when I would be paid. I was told it would go in straight away. It didn’t. My credit card is over the limit, I have no money for transport to get to the course.
Does anyone know if I am still expected to meet “mutual” obligation requirements if I haven’t received a payment ?
I’ve left messages with employment service provider but its Saturday so can’t speak to them or centerlink till Monday.
Any idea if I will be penalised for not attending the course?
For future ref- If you have a smart phone
Take a photo of your med cert & txt it or email to jsa that way you have given them your certificate or other required info… Send original in timely manner after you have photocopied it.
I’m not sure what state of Oz you are in Brad but my JNP rep came with me to local train station to top up my Go Card (public transport scheme card) for around $25 to assist me get around for about a week to a course 7 train stations away from me. So I would assume if you drove that would be a fuel voucher. They SHOULD provide this if you inform them first thing Monday morning to cover you until you get your payment or otherwise allow you to delay start date possibly?
They are all a bunch of crooks in it for their own gain,I to did the right thing rang up saying I can’t attend an appointment and was told we need a Dr certificate by 4pm,I was like are you serious? They are like yes, My Dr was a half hour drive away and then an hour wait at least, They said fax it by 4 or it counts as a no show,I hear them all the time on the phone while I’m down there threatening people with ‘Well cut and cancel your payments if you don’t do what is asked of us” they are just a bunch of bullies on power trips and they make you feel like a criminal for being out of work
They also said they would cover the cost of my study by doing a tafe course,I then get word that they refused to pay for my course because I apparently won’t get a job out of it,OK so you try do the right thing get into study to try further your employment plan but then are told no we can’t help you? I also had work at 15 hours a week but because my bench mark was 30 they rang my employer to ask why I wasn’t getting more hours,Next minute I’ve lost my job and down there 6 hours a week looking for full time work, They just use and abuse you and make commission out of you they are a pack of wild dogs
I have a nightmare job provider, I have been cut off for not attending an appointment during school holidays, I’m a single parent of 3 children and didn’t find it appropriate to take them there due to the the condesending attitude of my job provider. I was cut off for not attending an appointment as I had a child off school and had a doctor’s certificate and called to say I was unable to attend only to have my job provider deny I called even though my phone had a record of it. When I gained a part time job instead of congratulations I was threatened with fraud charges if I was lying or didn’t put any wages in at all. My appointments are weekly even with sole care of my children and a part time job and the appointments are made at 2:30pm every week no matter how many times I tell them I have to pick up the kids from school. I’ve been told now they want to see all my payslips is this something I can tell them I’m not giving them? I dont think it’s any of their business.
I’ve been unemployed for 2 years now after working for 20 and the last 6 of them as a single dad with my last year of work costing me 39k in income tax. I will never pay tax again to be treated like an imbecile I have never been so angry at a system that will gladly take 39k a year from my family’s stomachs then when I get a redundancy I’m treated like shit, its assumed that I live the high life on $400 a fortnight by the rest of the population and the government blames a budget blowout on me. It’s worth it to spend time with my kids who basically lived in before and after school care theres more to life than alienating your family and living under the stress of a mortgage just so the government can milk you for income tax, speeding fines and tolls.
F them the only people who should see your pay slips is yourself the tax man and child support if you paying it,I wouldn’t be showing them nothing & the only reason they’d be asking for pay slips is to forward it to centrelink and make it out they got you the job,
That’s the attitude, Simon. The government is a pack of wild animals, as are their corporate cronies. I too will refuse to pay tax again when I’m out of my position—caused by government and its cronies failing to abide by the law, deliberately breaking laws to deprive me of my workplace rights, and also defrauding me of WorkCover payments I am entitled to by law once they finally succeeded in making me unfit for work.
Government and their psycho corporate mates try to force white Australians through the cracks via “WorkSafe,” Centrelink, the Family Court, and other systems they run to justify slush funds, screw us and to benefit themselves. People need to stop giving up or being made to “tow the line” of a bunch of spiritually and morally bankrupt nut jobs, and instead start fighting back.
We need class actions, we need people speaking out publicly, we need people taking a stand and not allowing the government to bully them and/or treat them like slaves.
Government are supposed to be public servants, not elite ruling criminals.
Expose the bastards and find people in similar situations to take action with. And assert your own rights. If government abuses your legal rights and makes it impossible for you to defend your legal rights, while not held to standards of law themselves, then there is no Rule of Law. Unacceptable. Rule by lawless lunatics!
Yes. Insight needs to do a program in this issue. All these people could be on the audience to tell their stories.
Hi ,.someone said 4 corners were doing a programme, hopefuly there is still reputable media and journalists out there and not just the fake news propangists.
Although I have not Been on part or any benefits for over 5 years, I remember the horrible ordeal very clearly.
They cannot legally say or in anyway say those on Centrelink are not Human with the same rights as everyone else and tramatising ,dehumanising and debasing peoole does not help them find employment , in fact the opposite and create serious mental health issues that did not exist previously or to such a serious extent or level as previously.
They need to get rid of most of these useless jobnet providers which wastes billions of tax payers dollars.
treating the unemployed as subhuman is not acceptable and at least two thirds of people are legitimately unemployed or unwell unable to work due to injuries etc
These JNP try and make out they are saving the taxpayer money and falsely claim that they cost less than Australian centrelink staff ,which is a lie,they also try and justify their violations and theft of taxpayers money by saying everyone is a lowlife dolebludger etc (they are the lowlife centrelink bluddgers) and falsify records or cause financial hardship- A human rights violation and the stress they cause. And pushing people to suidice is not reducing the unemployment figures,well not in a Democracy with Human Rights.
How many people commit suicide or try to because of these JNP abuse, especially the day of,before or on these pointless appointments.
I had a friend on the phone last year suicidal after her unnecessary dehumanising appointment.
I comforted her,told she will find a job,life will get better and it did….
Anyway do not suicide because of these grubs , call lifeline, ,someone; & report them too -the above number They isolate and violate.
The unnecessary mental health, self esteem ,dignity and independence issues and safe boundaries they violate & financial issues they cause,deliberately too.
How many billions do they ,JNP unnecessarily cost the taxpayer ,the, Centerlink budget ?
I will be getting back on social media soon,twitter and Utube and will follow this site & service.
This needs to change,the laws need to change.
like I said electronic job boards at Centrlink and the good JNP (only some)at Centrelink not private offices to isolate and violate and doubling up on unnecessary appointments and declaring earnings/payslips to Centrelink not the JNP for false fraudulent claims at the tax payers expense.
Woow mate you hit the nail on the head,I agree with everything you just said in that post,and yes the strain they have put on my son,who I have to watch carefully because of his mental state due to jobnet works and centerlink,homeless,broken down relationship.he is very close to a breakdown.
Undermine their Pompus Authority,. Reject their immoral standards
Cause as much chaos and disruption as possible or…
VOTE FOR A LABOUR GOVERNMENT
Labour and liberal more of less the same, we need independent runners on mass, even then the system needs a civil war to clean house.
I agree with you Laurz Vote for Labour and ditch the useless bastards. Bring back the good old CES
I have a brilliant idea for a small business yet disability unemployment tell me that I am not illegible for funding. My friend who is an immigrant has been given funding for his business. I find this disgusting, do I have the same rights. I am 58 why am I being punished.
What? Can you provide further details of this immigrant grant please?
Centrelink cancelled my disability pension and put me on newstart without me applying for newstart. I was not given an employment provider and have not had one for 18 months. I just report and get paid ! Is it my responsibility or Centrelink to provide an employment provider .
Job network dogs just breached me for failure to attend an appointment, My payment was suspended under law they state,Their scare tactics and intimidation is to much lol,A bit hard to attend an appointment when I’m working 12 hour days plus have no credit to call as payday from my job is not in yet. They’ve been pestering me for my payslips but why should I give them to them when they did nothing for me the whole year and a half I was out of work?
You’re ok mate, nowhere on the job plan that we sign says we have to supply our payslips, so whatever you do, dont ! If they get hold of one payslip, they’ll present it to Centreclink as proof of their hand in your gaining employment and get paid commission for actually doing Sweet Fark All.
And hey, missed an appt. because you were at work? They accept this reason and is the best reason to use every single month after singing agreement. Fight the power
Hi, has my Employment Service Provider have the authority to stop me from reporting my income online through myGov?
Hi there I have found a job as a school cleaner it will set me up really well and will get me off my payment. but being the end of the school year there is the big school holidays where no one works so my question is if i have a definite job and i do the training course before the school year is out and some work but for the period of time of the school holidays am i going to have to job search if this is a definite opportunity.?
You will more then likely have to search for a job. If you don’t want to I suggest getting a centrelink med cert.
Job providers are a pain in the ass. Im only 21 and they have never gave me a job. I had one that the start of the year that i had found myself.
They constantly bully and harass me even over the smallest things. They always threaten to cut my payments and apparently I miss appointments (ones I’m not even aware of) I always make sure that i have everything on paper from them. They have now made me go in everyday for 2 hours to look for more then 30+ jobs and I need to do that for 3 weeks. I also have to give them 20 jobs a month followed by 10 more a fornight for centrelink. I had a centrelink medical certificate that I gave my provider, they said they could only accept it for 2 days. I supplied another one and gave it to centrelink instead but they didn’t even code it. when it came to my work for the dole activity they gave me a place thats 2 hours away.
I have a few medical issues that would stop me from working, they are currently expecting me to work 38+ hours. I’v done VMC’s but nothing else happens after that.
Don’t give your job provider payslips they do not have the right to see them. as long as you claim what you’ve earned and have sent your payslip to centrelink then your fine.
Dont even bother calling the department of employment to complain, they are absolutely foul mouthed, i was shocked when i had a guy yelling at me on the other end of the phone for something my provider told me. They are honestly disgusting and wont even put your complaint through.
So I am working, but my job service provider told me that I quit or I lose benefits. Is that legal?
This is not legal at all
Yep I have the same problem,as my bosses wife has jus been diagnosed with cancer,he’s had to take a cpl of days per/week off,therefore my hours have dropped to 20-25p/w and my employment agency says I have to quit and find another job???I’m not going to turn my back on my boss who currently needs me right now as its only the boss and I running the business I need and love my job,no one was listening that is wasn’t going to be like this forever,my hrs will pik back up again,derrrrrrrrr…
My job is keeping me somewhat sane in this horrible world…
I jus rang ‘Department of jobs and small businesses’ 1800805260 and they changed my job network provider,thankgod!!!!!! JOB NETWORK PROVIDERS ARE BULLIES!!!!!APPARENTLY WE DONT TOLERATE BULLYING IN AUSTRALIA….. go figure
I’ve been off newstart for about a month now, but my JSA is still emailing/calling me about payslips. They’ve even gone as far to call my employer to provide them. I haven’t given them any payslips as they weren’t the ones who found me the job- I got it myself and I don’t want them claiming an incentive from the government when they haven’t done anything to help me. I’ve said this to the “site manager” of the agency and she keeps saying I need to provide payslips to prove I was working, so I got my manager to send an email to confirm while also providing two time sheets that show I worked there AND they called to speak to the manager and confirmed I work there and yet they’re still wanting the payslips. She says it has nothing to do with the inventive and that all that I’ve provided is not sufficient as she needs to “archive my file for auditory purposes”. Can someone please help me here, I’ve been told I’m not obligated to provide payslips (I’m well off the system now they shouldn’t even be contacting anymore) but she keeps harassing me about them
Okay so I’ve emailed the department of employment and even they say I have no obligation to hand in any payslips, JSA have no right to ask or see them. Any who claim they do are lying. And so if they keep pressuring you say you’ve emailed the department of employment and they say you have zero obligations to hand in payslips.
Yeah the whole thing is a joke
Not to mention the bugs they put in the centrelink apps to track your every move
Police state 101
What? What bugs? The Banana Republic cuck-mafia is out of control!
Where is this information coming from because I cannot find this on the dhs website. Unless I can verify this information from an official source I cannot expect that my job search provider will follow any of this. It is incorrect that you don’t have to jobsearch for 3 months before your pregnancy due date, it’s 6 weeks. I also can’t verify that if I work 40 hours a fortnight that my search requirements should be halved. You need to provide citations or your information cannot be used
Hi I am having trouble with neato I am about to have employment but need a first aid course to get the job and have done everything but the won’t pay for it even though they have confirmation of my employment I am ment to do the corse tomorrow but neato keep telling me head office won’t clear it is there anything I can do I am desperate to get this job and am getting really frustrated at neato
Just wondering. I have a 15 hour a week disability assessment. I work at least 10 hours a week. Sometimes more. Do I have to keep seeing my employment services person? Sometimes I get zero $$$ newstart.
Thanks.
I work around 22 hours a week as it is very quiet where I work.My job providers tells me I have to work 30 hours a week.I have a few medical problem tinnitus,insomnia and anxiety.Can I get a medical certificate stating this so she isn’t on my back upsetting me about my hours.Half the time I don’t get a centrelink payment.I am hoping they will put me with a disability provider who will understand my needs.I am happy where I am working and job provider keeps making me go to interviews for jobs at places I can’t work due to hearing problems from tinnitus.I tell her this and she always makes smart comments and really upsets me.Can you please give me some advise,thank you
Go to your doctor get a 3 month med cert claiming what you are going through, Anxiety,Insomnia,Physical problems etc. You will be exempt from job search etc and they will leave you alone,You can carry on doing your job a few days a week & when the 3 months is up on your med cert after a job capacity assessment you will probably be referred to the disability employment services, You will probably enter a job plan were you agree to work 20-25 hours a week,So long as you are doing 20-25 hours a week & declaring income they will leave you alone and stop referring you to silly jobs that don’t suit you or your health
I spoke to a centre link social worker,she said its totally ridiculous theyv got us on 30hrs p/w with our conditions!!!she said because my condition states that it is ongoing that I apply for the DSP,from the minute u hand that form in u DO NOT have to look for work,they may approve it they may not!!!gets them off your back for abit……
I’m with a disability employment agency and I still have to get 30hrs p/w ITS A BLOODY JOKE!!!!
Centre link will only take 3 medical certs b4 they asses u,after that they will not even look at any future medical certs!!!!!
Ring DEPARTMENT OF JOBS AND SMALL BUSINESSES 1800805260 they will hear your complaint about network provider and may change networks…. G’Luck
Hi,im 63 yrs.old and left my job a year now due to osteo arthritis.I did not pass the dissability application.Now they want me to get training or volunteer for 15hrs.a wk.My question is after volunteering 15hrs.a wk.Are you allowed to earn paid job without penalty from centerlink?Pls.advice?
Hey, Im studying towards a Cert 3, and I think my job provider is bullying me. He’s pressured me to accept jobs even if they force me to drop my course, and when I statrd to him my rights to study, he said if I didn’t take the jobs he set out for me, he’d force me to come in every day I didnt have class/placement and have me apply for jobs. He’s also making me come in every week for job search. None of this is okay right? (Full time student, finish cert 3 in June)
Call your local Federal MP for help. They can liaise with Centrelink for you to sort the problem out. They are generally eager to help constituents to make you think they’re great and vote for them.
They are forcing anyone to come in so they sign their name into the book for them to make stealing Aus taxpayers money legal that’s how they get paid under these programs and use harassment forcing people to take any job so they can get a bonus paycheck for claiming they got someone employed aka which is another way of stealing tax payers money. That’s how this scheme works under these so called programs to get Australias unemplyment statues down. They should be put in prison even if it’s a white collar scam/crime.
I’m a primary carer and have also supplied medical certificates from my specialists and doctors for health problems including permanent nerve damage in my feet.
I also work casual jobs in events that I love, I work most weekends over the year and declare and lose money from my payments, but I don’t care as I’m earning money.
My provider is pushing me to jobs that require heavy lifting, long standing and where I won’t be home for my youngest son after school, when I say something, he talks to me like crap and tries telling me that a 10 year old can be at home alone, he even threatened to report me once because I had to change my appointment as my son had tonsillitis and was home sick.
Just last week whilst I was at work I received a SMS saying he changed my appointment from Thursday to Friday and now is peeved because I have a doctors appointment on the Friday which I have had made for 2 weeks.
I find he is way too demanding and should lay off, it’s not like he isn’t off 2-3 days a week and never does anything for me to help get employment.
Does he have the right to treat or expect me to do things I’m not capable of
Some infact all I have ever came across are so rude,I missed an appointment as I totally forgot about it as I was working overtime,I come home hungry and tired & to screaming and playing up kids & then I receive a text message at 4:56pm saying my newstart has been suspended ring ASAP. I ring to explain why but I’m greeted with a “Oh so what’s going on why have you missed your appointment” in a rude and arrogant voice,I’ve seen and heard them speaking rudely to clients before and talking about clients behind their backs. I think it’s like a power trip thing to them they must get excitement or joy out of treating unemployed or low income earners with disrespect,They know I’m working but still not enough to fully get of centre link. They tell me I don’t have to attend job search as my working hours covers me yet while I’m at work I receive a messages like you must attend all appointments and job offers..They are constantly begging me for my payslips to. I’ve told them it’s like harassment & they hung up the ph on me …
Do I have to give my job provider payslips?
No where on your Job Plan does it state that you must supply payslips my job network provider has been on at me for months to supply them pay slips,I asked them why they need them & they claim it is to prove that what you tell centre link you are earning it matches up,I told them well I always declare my fortnightly income and if there is any problems I’m sure centrelink will let me know. It will all add up and correctly come tax time anyway so until then I’m refusing to give them them,I was unemployed for a year and a half and not once did my so called job network help me,Even refused to pay a course for me because they claimed I wouldn’t get a job out of it. They thought I was just another bludger. But once I landed a job of my own accord they want every detail names addresses income amount and my payslips..
Reading through the comments, the questions raised are:
— How many injured workers are on welfare payments because the government has defrauded them of WorkCover payments? (Fraud is illegal. If you have proof WorkSafe defrauded you, contact police.)
— How many people are being harassed and bullied by the Centrelink system?
— How is the system overburdened and unable to provide adequate facilities for welfare recipients, such as phone numbers that can be reliably used to contact Centrelink… Yet there is no shortage of resources for bullying “clients”?
— How does the government justify its spending on “mental health awareness” and “suicide prevention” (ie which really only provides suicidal people the phone number of Lifeline), and it’s false claims of taking mental health and suicide seriously, when the government is actively harassing people including the mentally ill via Centrelink (and other systems)?
— How many Australians does the government have to push into a corner or through the cracks before we have enough and revolt?
— Why are there no class actions against government? There is no shortage of suitable plaintiffs.
I actually think these are human rights issues.
How can they, in all conscience, force people with severe disabilities to work?
Where is their duty of care? It’s all very Dickensien.
I was permanently injured through this mutual obligation volunteering scam and it seems I have few – if any – rights!
Why are all these case workers in these agencies look like they can off the dole and got employed by all these Australian taxpayer funded agencies they all seem to have been on the dole did a few tafe courses and given these filler types of jobs cause they are just absolutely unlikeable have no charisma or decency I guarantee if they lost their employment statues most of them will kill themselves from having no attention this job feeds them that need of human interaction and why are most of them diabetes looking fat old single women with dead eyes that know one would ever talk too in the real world like they’ve been frustrated all their lives and have this pain of regret not going any where they wanted in life. They are now coming to steal the money from the millennial generation starting their way into the workforce making it tougher for everyone so they can go back to their empty lives and stuff their faces full of processed shit. Oh I’ve confirmed this and they all had the same traits and lifestyles if you can even call it that.
Sarina Russo, Ive had enough & I’m going to fight back. & winning . The battle has only began & here is the back ground. Was told I have to have a smart phone & an apps for face time & what ever they wanted. Said NO. Called Centrelink about this & there is no requirement. They backed down. The next step is crucial to anyone wanting to fight back. Email Dept of work & small business with your complaint. When they email you back, print off the reply to your complaint. Take it with you to the next appointment & read it to them. DO NOT let them copy it. It will be headed LEGAL & finish confidential. They will reply with a case number reference. When you get grief from the satanists again, call the dept & explain. Ask them to add it to the same case number. This way, an official time line is recorded, of all the times you make a complaint & what about. I am going for them again about multiple contacts per month. This is not required in the DEEDS 2015-2020. When I hit them with that, they said they have a government contract for fortnightly contacts. I have asked the person & emailed the manager to provide evidence of this document. They wont answer the request. I called the dept again & had this recorded on the case file. They told me to get the contact details of their area manager & ask for a REASONABLE excuse for multiple contacts.. At my last thrilling installment of unnecessary contact, I was told to change job providers. Fat chance of that. I am embarking on ‘ discovery’ of this alleged multiple contact document. I am making them squirm. They will find a way to silence me, but it is all being recorded on the official channels. Many of us are being treated unfairly. Make a folder & document every detail about the visit you next make. Include how you felt. It is all evidence that can be used in an inquiry into their behavior. Do not give in to the bullies. If you need a lift in spirits, look up THE ART OF WAR BY SUN TZU.
Keep calm when they goad you & take a note book with you to write down what is said. If scared, ask someone to come with you into the interview.
I will post as further events happen.
You are not alone & can fight back.
I’m going through shit at joblife Mysterton, can’t stand up for long but keep getting pushed to go for jobs like a traineeship at Subway. I’m with a disability job provider but they don’t care for excuses like I have a tumor in my femor, and can’t stand or walk to much at all. I get told sometimes we have to do things we don’t want to do.
Do employment agencies have the right to cancel centerlink payments and support? I have been emplyed for 2 months full time and only needed to attend the employment agency once before finding employment without their help. The agency have asked me for my pay slips to which I have told them I will not supply as it is not a requirement for them to obtain. I am currently receiving childcare support from Centerlink. The employment agency have now informed me in a txt that they have now suspended my Centerlink support for childcare and have informed me it is due to not handing in my payslips.
Ring the department of employment and tell them the job network is demanding your payslips, They will tell you you are under no obligation to hand them over, That’s what I done, When I mentioned it to the job network providers they soon went quite and said ok, They did nothing to help me get a job yet demanded to see my payslips, I told them no! payslips are private and for my eyes and the tax office only
Now because of people believing they’re entitled to live off those that do contribute to the economy the system is changed and is far more cruel than ever before, the whole reason they are taking more and more away from us is because people that don’t want to do a thing, I have Diplomas and certificates, but the area I’m in is thin for that work.
I just want a simple retail job so I can get enough money to be able to move to an area with higher employment with my line of jobs, but now this is tightening the noose and as much as I agree the lazy should be punished severely. Remove their damn payments sub them with food stamps that only work once scanned and they are attached to the persons account, no more money for you lazy ones, but for people that are trying and unable give them the money.
But I cannot agree to this new demerits system as much as these lazy people don’t deserve their money you cannot strip away human rights from them, how are they to survive? Why are these job active companies given so much power? Yeah it can be used but a lot of them abuse it and terrorise the people.
Something has to be done, you treat people as less than human long enough and they’ll show you what less than human really is, this needs to be turned around while there IS still time.
Im with a disability employment agency and they got me a couple of jobs so far and they have spent $270 on work clothes without steel cap boots they were going to get them too if i needed and have given me $75 in fuel cards aswell, they always want my payslips and still want me to attend appointments if im not working that day or ring before hand if i am, i work more than 30 hours a fortnight but am afraid of getting drug tested and losing my job and centrelink payment for probably 8weeks, should i get a new job where i dont get tested? Im looking anyway my jobs shit with shit pay and no penalty rates, i work like every sat and sun and before 7am and after 7pm alot of days
Hi we are currently been bullied by my sons new network provider everytime we try to reschedule unsuitable appointments due to serious issues. My son is currently enrolled to start his pre-apprenticeship in light vehicle servicing at South Metropolitan Auto Tafe in Kwinana and needs some assistance with Fees and Work Safe Gear which is the only help we’ve ever ask for since we do all the groundwork ourselves with the help of a Case Worker from Outcare Australia. The last situation I was called by my doctor a couple of days after been diagnosed with Myloma Cancer to come in that morning which clashed with my sons JOB NETWORK appointment so we called to reschedule for later that afternoon only to be abused and called Liers and Threats to STOP my sons Youth Allowance from CENTRELINK if he didn’t turn up to his appointment, I was forced to cancel my important Doctor’s appointment and did get my son to his appointment on time and when we complained and told them I was going to take it further my sons pay was stopped because they lied and said he did show. We went straight to Centerlink after sons appointment who were the ones who advised us of the stop of payment and also informed us that their hands were tied and couldn’t reverse the decision but did help by exempting my son for 2 weeks so that we could sort the situation out. Please help because the bullying is still going on and I have tried to make another complaint without success. Myou son is due to start Tafe tomorrow.
Been unemployed for 13 months 55 years of age stream B with some disabilities going to office once a week (is this correct.) I supposed to work for the dole but doing cert 3 course at job network provider office in Sydney 2 days a week.The course can be done online as I have asked course provider.If you get 38 hours week job they allow you to do it online.I have a full time job in 5 weeks at old company.They are pushing to take jobs that my medical conditions wont allow have Doctors and Psychological papers for counselling.I was recently called into centrelink for re streaming and they gave me a pension concession card and stream B but still on Newstart never pushed for a pension at all.I have not moved over to the disability section with Job network provider the new laws 2018 they pushing are everyone to go for interviews what job provider wants also in a group which stressful.They offer jobs no way I would be suitable stating they will advise centrelink and you will be cut off is this true or bluff so many people will be appealing the decision I think they have gone too far and will make so much work for themselves.
So why can’t I do it online now do I need to go to job Providers office 2 days a week.
If someone knows and has it in written information I would appreciate not just someones opinion that won’t way up with JOb network provider as they need everything in writing so if someone officially knows from experience or something in writing I would appreciate very much.
Centerlink and government habe turn to utter b.s. people who live in small towns have no jobs available at all and then get penalised and forced to work because no jobs exist. 2.3 million people austrlaia wide are unemployed or under employed according to ross morgan statistic and according to may 2018 through australian beauru statistics only 143,000 jobs are available australia wide to the 2.3 million people without job…. so unemployed are forced to look for work that does not exist or they are way underqualified for what is available. And if they dont look for work you dont get paid.. so then to live you must work for the dole because jobs dont exist and do slave labour because if you do not you dont get paid and loose a roof over your head and no means to eat……. this is coercion…..Coercion (/koʊˈɜːrʒən, -ʃən/) is the practice of forcing another party to act in an involuntary manner by use of threats or force. … In law, coercion is codified as a duress crime. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in a way contrary to their own interests.
The government is forcing people to do these things… if you do not comply they threaten with means to live and provide for their familys…. people cant get work cause there is NO JOBs… peopke have to work slave labour for payments because there is NO JOBS and are forced to do this or else they become homeless… coercion plain and simple… government need to be held accountable….
I ring max employment in Moe and ask for a Miki card to get to a job interview. Aron from Max tells me to come in at 2pm. So I come in at 2pm and my employment consultant Steve looks at me at the counter and says “what do you want”. It made me feel so small. So go and sit at his desk and then fill out all the forms. Steve mentions to me to come back at 4:30. So I leave and tell them what I think of them.
This is not the first time I have been sent away. I have moved down here to start a new life and move on. But people at max or any job provider control on how you get a job.
I am a person who has a criminal record has been homeless, have a partner with breast cancer and all on top of this I give my volunteer work back to the community.
When I go to max I get looked down at and feel ashamed of who I am and that’s how they make me feel. They have made my mental state to the point I want to commit suicide. What’s the point I say to my self. What’s the point of this agency if they can’t even get you a job or give you advice on how to change your career, or simple steps to what you want to do.
If you are the union then why isn’t anything done about this. Just because im on the dole or have a record I’m not scum.
All these people do is play favourites. What ever happened to opening the paper and getting a job. These people control us all like sheep and screen us all like we are animals.
If the real tax payer would know the truth on how the government operates these people at these job agency. Because if this was different people like me would get a simple job as a labourer. But they control you and look down at you. What do I have to do to get my point threw. ” maybe take a baseball bat to the office”. But it shouldn’t even have to get to that because if you are respected like a human being these thoughts would never cross anyone’s mind.
So what should I do. No one deserves to be treated like this.
Actually your unemployment union is the biggest joke. Maybe show us some actions on what you do. Your the same as any government organisations. I see all these posts and what have you done about it. You look like a big joke. I’m only going to cry out for help for so long as I’ve helped my self to get where I am today and theses people bring you down. We wanna see action or is it your just a joke????
Hi I am just wondering my service provider max employment has purchase some boots an pant for my job I went to work for 2weeks an then had to leave for personal reasons can my service provider ask for my boots an pants back after I left job because they can’t give it back to where they purchase it so what are they going to do with it can u give me advice
Your job network will more than likely breach you for leaving your job and suspend your payments, Unless you prove a medical certificate or are exempt from them and their activity agreements
As a requirement, do i have to log on to my personal MY GOV account in the service providers office so they can check my resume or job search requirements or as they say update it ? I am in the thinking that your MY GOV account is private to you,, I am being told i have to log in so they can check it but i am refusing as i fell its personal,,, any thoughts or info would be great
Hi all,
I am just searching for some advice, if you would be so kind.
I am 64 and recently had a knee replacement due to arthritis. I was called into Centrelink and told that I had to see a disability support provider. My medical certificate had expired and, because I didn’t realise this, I agreed to the meeting.
It was a strange meeting. I have over 30 years experience in senior management and have far more qualifications than I care to name, and was told that I would never get a job all the time I was using my current resume. I was told to rewrite it and to dramatically dumb it down. I was told to change the wording from manager, or management, to supervisor. I was also told to not show my qualifications. I was horrifed but was told if I didn’t comply they would ensure my benefits were cut off.
I went back to my doctor yesterday and he gave me a 3 month certificate as he felt that I had not recovered sufficiently from my knee replacement to handle a full time, or part time, job at this stage. I have uploaded the certificate to my Centrelink account.
So, my question is: do I still need to attend the meeting with my disability provider in two weeks time or does my certificate exempt me ? Also, do I have to notify my provider of the certificate or will they pick it up from MyGov.
I came away from the meeting with the provider with a negative feeling of their willingness to assist me and would like to change providers. Is this possible do you know, and if so, how do I go about it as I have no desire to dumb down the resume as they suggested.
Thank you in advance.
You have the right to change to a different provider. You will have to research DES (disability employment service) providers in your area and choose a provider yourself. You can read more here: http://unemployedworkersunion.com/right-change-employment-service-providers/
Most of that information applies but I was told DES clients have the right to change providers without a reason. I have a disability and had to switch providers myself. I hope it all goes well for you.
Does anyone know how much funding I can get access to as a stream c job seeker through my job network provider?
My job provider is trying to make me go to two, one for appointments and the other for my recent studies how can this work it sounds unfair and unreasonable to me
With all the corruption in 4 corners happening with the job providers they should be putting penalties on those people if I falsified documents they would put me in jail it should happen to the job providers the executive should be in jail!!!
That would be some real justice to watch eternal affairs go after all these private companies and cease all their assets and fine them for any legit fraud and shut them down and serve prison time for breaking Australia’s laws. I guess we don’t have people like that in this country.
Many of these jobnet providers commit fraud and human rights violations.
people on stream 1 get no assistance anyway;so a extreme waste of tax taxpayers hard earned much needed else where money.
They claim that forcing people against their wills under duress; extreme financial hardship to access unnecessary information is “consent”;solely for unethical reasons.
selling to database collection companies for their parasitical financial gain.
many people have been physically and sexually assaulted either as Children,
(Other people have other intimate information on their medical records ,discussed with their doctors which is not the business of strangers who work for Centrelink or jobnetproviders; nor database collectors)
adults or domestic violence and this is not perverted entertainment for total strangers that have the meaningless words private & confidental attached to their names or job titles; which is everything but private and confidential.
If you have legitimate complaints about them they falsify your offical records.
they do not need to access medical records under doctor patient confidentiality,they are not doctors.
Nor does any employer based on a employment inquiry, application, registration on online employment websites,nor any legal terms or conditions of any online site or service including social mefia sites.
All they ;employers need to know is if you have been on work cover or have a current medical condition that effects your ability to perform your duties etc.
Nothing else needs to be accessed.
they do not need to know about your sexual preferences or practices, that is intimate and private and this sexual violation and harassment should not be tolerated
most people do not discuss this wirh anyone anyway and do not want disgusting lies stated on the records if they have Offical complaints.
I was on part centrelink benefits over 5 years ago,it was a degrading,violating, debasing, dehumanlsing traumatic experience.Everyone has the right to safe boundaries and Human rights.
They cqnnot claim you are no longer a human being if you require financial assistance from your fellow Australian tacpayer; at least two thirds of people are genuine.
Solution, prevention, real human rights and privacy no excuses nor good reasons forcing this violations on anyone.
Under no circumstances is considering yourself a human being that has the right to privacy,dignity consider a crime nor something to hide nor a mental health issue.
Nor doyou stop being a human being if you need centrelink benifits genuinely.
Most of these jobnet providers are a extreme waste of tax payers money and need to be removed
Electronic Job boards at Centrelink instead.
Some are good,not many.
they should work from Centrelink offices, many of these socalled JNP are foreign owned.
Also how many billions of the Centrelink budget are unnecessarily wasted on these JNP ?
Hello I am 55 years of age and have been employed for the pastv6 months for 10 hours per week as a casual employee. The work capacity assesment is 15 hours per week. The job provider advised me that ejen I am working 15 hours per week Centrelink will cut off any newstart suplement payment.
Is this cotrect. I can not afford to live on 15 hours per week wages
I would appreciate it if you could advise me on this matter
Regards
Faith
Hello Faith,
To get more help with your issues, please contact the AUWU as below. One of our volunteers will get back to you as soon as possible.
Hotline: (03) 83945266
Website form: http://unemployedworkersunion.com/contact-auwu/
Hi there. I’ve recently been going through cancer treatment and had to stop work, I am now on a Newstart allowance. I recently moved in with my partner to have some better support, centerlink is now asking to see her 3 most recent payslips. The catch is she is payed cash in hand at her job and earns anywhere from $600-$1000 a week, depending on her hours. She’s a working visa tourist and didn’t know much better about cash in hand jobs. Her employer has been asked for payslips and his response is “we don’t do payslips here”…. I know how illegal that is. My issue is if we can’t get payslips I’m thinking I may have to cancel my payment to avoid any ATO action against my partner. It’s my only source of income and security at the moment and I’m at a loss of what to do. And if we do go in and say her employer won’t provide payslips what will happen to us, and what will happen to her employer.
I’m a single mother, in the DES system. I am required to apply for 8 jobs a month which isn’t much I know, but if you are in Tasmania, there is nothing much to apply for anyway.
Once the job applying is done for the month, why am I made to sit for an hour every week on job providers crap computers looking for jobs? What is the point of them setting a number of jobs you are required to apply for each month, if they make you look for work after you fulfilled your obligation? I should be left alone til the next month, maybe a face to face every fortnight, but job searching is a waste of time. I only appt at home in peace and quiet anyway 3 years with job providers and no results.
I am working my 15hrs a week,I had an exemption as I’m a single mum,so I do not need to attend appointments anymore but my job provider keeps asking my boss for all my pay slips for the time I was exempt. Can they do this. Personally I think it’s none of there business and if centerlink this I am not reporting properly I am more than happy to show them.
don’t even know where to start, my service provider got me a job after 3 months with them fantastic i loved it.
Then the problems start first payday no over get paids talk to the boss, says yer just cant afford to right now just keep track of it all and ill catch up soon, then i find out he has never paid anyones overtime there so he owes in excess of $10000 to 3 employees then it gets worse NO PAY AT ALL for anyone doesn’t even answer his phone to give an explanation or when well get paid monday comes says yep i’ve got money going in today you’ll get paid tomorrow, NO soon i cant even get to work because im out of money because no pay this goes for 3 weeks b4 he pays but then sacks me via text msg and now his denying he owes anything not even accruals nothing never even received payslips even when asked for them weekly when in act its thousands he owes me even tried fair work denied it to them to, hasn’t paid my super hasn’t paid tax nothing not even minimum weeks notice. top it all off his best mates with one of the service providers since child hood so there just playing gang up. wouldnt be suprised if there was some under table dealings going on thereim not the fist his had frome them. OH&S is whole nother game had me spraying 2 pac paint in factory not in a booth with other guys standing aroundbreathing it in too no chem waste disposal drinking on premises during the day OMG lift your game centerlink!!!
They do nothing to help you get work, expect you to sit there for two hours a day a few days a week on crappy out of date computers and windows systems, You get a job yourself and then they are on to you demanding your payslips, They talk to you and treat you like you are a child, They put you on these crappy courses for like 5 hours a day which cover basic communication skills and common sense human behaviours, You explain to them that you have to leave the course early in order to go pick up your children as it’s your day(s) with them as you are a separated single Father and they roll their eyes and shake their head like they don’t believe you, Some of us don’t have the perfect life or perfect family and being on centrelink is enough mental stress as it is without these guys constantly on your back and putting you into crappy courses that don’t even get you a job.
I’m currently doing around 40hrs per fortnight of paid work but my job network provider is insisting I attended appointments every fortnight now instead of monthly like it was previously. They say the requirements/rules have changed. I live 30km away and it’s a hassle to make appointments some times. Is there a guideline on how often I need to attend versus how long I’ve been unemployed for.
Cheers
Very place i have worked in western Australia they all love to use the word black cunt and yous tell everyone that Australia is not a racist country what a fucken load of bullshit
Oh Allen, that comment brought tears to my eyes.
I doesn’t have any rights like you said. They the centrelink and Australia employment departments send me a threatening text messages on 25/12/2018 on Christmas eve who are they the satan from hell
What a pathetic world wouldn’t a nuclear holocaust be awesome a end of all existence. Yay
I had a app with my net work provider 4th jan they told me to go as the person i was to see was sick i now have received a mesage my newstart is suspended for non apliance
I have recently started a new job as a casual. My job provider has contacted my very busy boss and asked her for the number of hours I had worked last fortnight as I hadn’t replied because my mother suffered a heart attack and I wasn’t able to get straight back in touch. She also canceled my payment which has been sorted out now but do the demerits stay even though it was as a result of a family emergency?
Yes it will stay I didn’t hand in my online job search I was 2 jobs short & forgot the due date an honest mistake & they suspended my payment,I had to re submit the two jobs a day later & then received a demerit point which stays for 6 months,They don’t care about family situations or your mental health or honest mistakes. They have this power tripper attitude were they think that they own you thus why they probably rang your employer asking what’s going on,You do realize you are under no obligations to give them your payslips, So long as you’re telling centrelink your income & not your job network you are ok!
Why do they coerse(force via financial hardship, threats, intimidation, that sort of thing) (Centrelink claims to give some or all of your information to other govt departments, “organisations and “individuals ” without your knowledge or consent is not consent!) people against they will under duress, financial hardship and claim it is consent, (threats and actual doing of delayed, denied or terminated benefits)(not their money but the tax payers, I have been a tax payer most of my life) now, ptsd, threats of false accusations of Centrelink fraud if you do not keep quiet, falisy your official records if you refuse to give payslips for jobs they had nothing to do with you getting or you had already, part time jobs) (They get undeserved bonuses due to Demanding payslips, do nothing to help find employment, not even a CV, not All, some are good, most not, how many billions are they costing the tax payer every year unnecessarily only selling people’s information to database collectors for parasitical financial gain, dangerous…..) (fasify records to make sure you cannot gain meaningful employment under the clause opinion does not have to be fact, they are Human, Rights violators, get rid of most of them, back to proper Centrelink and electronic job boards at Centrelink except for the good Australian JNP) access medical records under doctor patient confidentiality, they are not doctors and have no “need” nor right.
Access to photos of your medical care, who has photos taken, victims of violent assaults for police evidence that’s who)
Not “sensitive “information, doctor patient confidentiality…..
Selling it to database collectors for parasitical financial gain.
Centrelink legislation not necessary.
medical information only needs to be accessed by Centrelink doctor if you have applied for sickness benefit or disability pension and only the information which pertains to that benefit needs to be accessed and only by the doctor, not administrative employees or contractors.
All employers state on application forms what is required with official authorised employers, such as Armed Forces,000 Services, mining, medical Industry etc. Once offered a position legally in writing which you must sign then medical.
General employers only need or have the right to know. -Supermarket, everything except
Have you been on work cover and do you have any current medical conditions that affect your capacity to gain or keep employment or perform your duties(and you would be on a sickness benefit or disability if yes.)
They do not need to know your sexual preferences or practices, your intimate sex organs and sex life are exactly that, (intimate not “sensitive” private confidential, very public information )
What employer has the right to ask you about your genitals and sex life at a interview or in the workplace?
None, so not necessary nor a need, regardless of the small percentage of LGBTQ community and they want their intimate sex life kept intimate most likely.
Sexual harassment and Human Rights violations under the international Geneva convention Human Rights Laws., regardless of whether you are a employee if it occurred in a workplace it is still sexual harassment as a client or customer, need terms and conditions and so-called privacy laws of unethical employers “associates” “individuals ” ” third parties” means anyone in the World.
Enough, violating people that do not know their legal rights not acceptable to violate because they do not know their rights.
Getting legal terms and conditions sent in the mail after you sign the Centrelink contract is illegal, all must be presented in full before signing.
Take photos of everything.
Number pages 1of 4, 2 of 4, 3 of 4,4 of 4 etc and sign each page, any blank areas put a big Z across it so they can not add anything.
G’day buddy ‘ can any body help with my situation ‘ I’m being told I have to do work for the dole’ by Salvation Army plus’ Charlestown ‘ even though I have been working for over 8 months of the last year’ I was called overseas due’ to a family death ‘ & when I came back’ I was out of work for only 2 weeks’ ‘ I then worked for 3 months ‘ but failed to pass an exam’ so I was told I wasn’t suitable for the job anymore ‘along came Christmas ‘ & I received one benefit of $461 ‘ then my job provider has told me i after do WFTD’ only last week ‘ & starting this week. !? . Is this correct ‘ I couldn’t possibly see how this will help me into a job’ even after working most of the year ‘ it’s just a case of qualifications I need ‘ Please help.
No I think WFD is only compulsory if you are out of work for 6 months straight, So long as you declared your income to centre link you should be covered,Why would they place someone on wftd whenever they’ve been working the past 8 months but then again that’s what they are like,Tell them I’ve been working you know I’ve been working so why are you placing me on wftd!!
Quick question? Can DES force you to take a cert 3 course just because you’ve been on their books for a while? There is nothing in my Job Plan about having to attend a course… just the usual apply for 20 jobs per month etc. Thanks in advance!
My question.
My service provider wants me to attend their office 3 times a week for 2 hours each time to look for work, do cover letters,etc. Just 1 month ago i was doing this for 1 day for 1.5 hours. Can they increase this time anytime they feel like it? Give it a few more months i wouldn’t be surprised if they made it everyday for 3+ hours. Do i have any rights to refuse doing this?
I have worked casual for 3 months now. My job agency case manager messaged me today asking me for my payslips. I really dont think its any of there business wat i earn they are there to find people jobs nothing else i report every fortnight
This is what I had to put a complaint into the mygov centrelink feedback page, my payment was meant to come in over the weekend which means all places are shut to find out what has happened.
Hello,
I have not received my Centrelink payment, it says that I do not have any future payments coming in. I am meant to receive support money by the 11th of February and yet there is no money coming in the future. I have no notification to why this is the case, I need money to pay for my fines which affects my drivers license status. I have bills to pay including rent…. I reported on Thursday night with MyGov app which said I will be receiving payments on the 11th of February. I have lost the $1000 in working credits which were saved up. You have stolen my support income and will affect my license which directly affects employment. I have already had a warning about late rent payments due to the dates constantly changing due to your system. This is not good enough at all!!! I have no food to eat due to budgeting my money which lasted until yesterday the 8th of February.. This needs to be sorted immediately as there has been no communications from Centrelink or any other department!!!
Any ideas?
Hi I’m asking on behalf of my partner, what do you do if you’ve handed in (and it was accepted) a medical cert to centrelink making you exempt from looking for work and your job network provider turns around and says they can’t find it on there system so you need to come in asap or we will be cutting off your payment.
Are you able to refuse going to the appointment due to the fact you’ve handed in a cert even if they can’t find it.
I am a single parent and recently got a housekeeping job with Royal Freemasons Victoria. My job is casual and I dont always make the 30 hours per fortnight so have too keep with the fortnightly appointments at the job agency and do job searches. Today I contacted my employment advisor to ask if there is funding to help me sit my driving test because despite being 51 I still don’t have my license. She said she would look into it but needed my wage slips. I said I was surprised because for 18 months I had another job amd still got to claim some newstart and never once did I have to show anyone my wage slips. I feel upset by this and cant help but wonder if she thinks I am cheating the system and not declaring my earnings. She asked me for my staff log in details amd said that her other clients who work at Royal Freemasons have also given her these and this way she can check their wages. Can you tell me if this employment advisor has any legal grounds to have obtained this information from me? Also I am originally from England and my daughter who has MS still lives there and I want to go back and see her. The last time I visited my newstart was stopped which is understandable however I am worried that this new advisor may ask for my bank details amd question how I have afforded the flights. I can honestly say that the WHOLE time since the kids amd I left my husband I have declared every single cent that I earned either on my ABN cleaning . My last cleaning job amd this new one with the Royal Freemasons. Can you advise ad to how much information I am required to g9ve this woman. Regards Clare
I got a full time job opportunity with Australian bank but don’t have enough money to relocate so recently I read about the government help for relocation allowance but after providing all the required documents my job provider needs more information which is out of my limit to get as I don’t know where to get my future job weekly wages as my offer letter indicates only annually but they must need my company to write my wages as per weekly. So much frustrating as I have kids and my family financial position is not good so I must need this job but looks like I loose it because of NEATO Employment Services cairns
Hello to all, I just want ask a question that is doing my head in! I put a Newstart claim in on the 9 th of January and now the 6th March, my claim is still not processed! Is this satisfactory or not! 2 months to get support from the government
I’m taking high blood pressure medication I’m on parents next when my younger child turns 6 have to go on Newstart allowance would I able to go on another paymet
On parents next I’m stressed
Hi
I hope someone can help with dealing with my employment agency.
I went on new start in July 2018 and as I have an existing medical condition I lodged a Centrelink Medical certificate in November 2018 that exempt me from looking for work. I lodged a new medical certificate as required by Centrelink. I now have to meet my new start obligations even though I my medical certificate states Im not fit to under take any work.
I went in person to see my employment agency 3 days prior to my appointment in March 2019.Stated I couldn’t attend because of a family crisis and going into great detail the reason why and stating I had a current medical certificate which they took a copy of. This provider even after I told her all my personal health issues I was left humiliated and felt I was bullied.
There is no grounds for compassion and all she offered was to reschedule but would write me up for being non compliant. I’m 62 years old and have worked all my life. What can I do as I believe that this is a reasonable excuse to not attend this appointment.
Hi Cindy,
I have had this problem, I also had them
make false claims to I rung the Centrelink complaints line not sure if it was the ombundsmon, after talking to him he made a note and told me more information than I knew, example said I was hand given my appointment and never showed up. I then asked him to check my file I would not have been in the office that day as I wasn’t required to be, he proceeded to say they may have hit the wrong button or made a mistake to contact the manager and they would also send a letter asking how it was resolved,which I did I then put in a complaint to manager and asked to have a different person and the non compliant restriction was lifted. I suffer from severe depression I work and still get bullied you need to beat them at there own game. When you go in the office voice record all meetings have everything written in black and white, they now ask me for payslips and doctors cert and I refuse as its none of there business I got my job myself they wanted to contact my employer as if that’s not embarrassing and they can’t produce any evidence of me having to do so. Email your correspondent asking on what grounds did you fail to comply. Respond in an email to what was discussed previously as your only back up is in black and white.
I hope this helps.
Cheers
I have been a mum for 18years and still have children in primary school I became a single mother due to mental and physical abuse. I have been going job network to try help me get back into the work force, I suffer from severe depression and anxiety, I have worked casual on and off jobs constantly due to lack of family and friends I do everything on my own and try hard for my kids. I have had my job provider put in false claims claiming I didn’t fulfill my obligations and when I confronted them with this and reported them they just changed me over to another one of there employees. I found myself a casual job I also study and meet all requirements yet I’m constantly bombarded with please attend m notifications even when I am working that day. I feel like they want to baby sit me talk to my employer etc. Now who gives them that right to do so that is clearly babysitting like I don’t have a brain of my own. I had recently been unwell and worked less hours in a fortnight they asked me to forward medical cert as well as pay slips at what point are they over stepping my privacy. I’ve had enough this has caused me more anxiety and depression. I’m working yet not enough to there satisfaction. People act like you ain’t trying your best what’s your best? Every individual have different circumstances!
This experience is not at all healthy for your mental-health. It sounds to me like you are doing everything you possibly can to raise your children in a loving and stable environment. Is there any way that you can still make ends meet, without being on welfare? Also, you don’t need validation to be called wise, it comes from within and you know your own mind better than anyone else. Good luck, sending you positive vibes.
Everytime I attend my job network (Status employment at Modbury) appointments, I find the next day on my gov account, it says that I did not attend, I have occurred a demerit point & my pay is cut, so I ring up my job network, they knew I attended, my proof is that I signed in, they re-establish my pay but the demerit points they cannot take off. It’s not fair, all the demerit points that are on my account is from their mistakes.
When I have reached 6 demerit points, my pay will be suspended.
Status employment havnt re-done my resume as promised, as my current resume doesnt pass the automated resume selection. I have continuesly reminded them if they can re-do my resume, they say yes but never do it.
Status employment dont do anything to help a person get employment.
The previous status employment worker that was allocated to me, wrote on my, My gov account that I went jail, (I had never been to jail), my gov account is set on visible to employers.
I believe that I could do a better job than these workers at Status employment
I’m 62 have been on newstart for 9 years under medical certificate centre link will no longer take my certificate and l have to work for dole now
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Goodmorning can I register to an employment agency if I am currently employed. I need a career/job change to earn more money. Please let me know
The reason they’d prefer you to complain internally. Is so they can handle it and just swap providers. This is a shit system, they are a load of blugers, that don’t know what they are doing or anyone else is doing in this system. They palm you off to other organizations to do their job. Although the skills and jobs Australia is good. They will get you a job. They have hidden jobs
The ombudsmen needs to receive the complaints. Reverse complain, tell the ombudsmen fist, then tell your job person you did, then you will be treated way better by far. They have to explain to them. Dob on them and make them have to do aload of shit unessasery shit. Cause them some issues as a thank you for pissing the poor people around.
Hey my name is richard
I am cuntacting you in regards to a lady i know who has recently resigned from a job as she is going threw chemo and now centrelink will not allow her to get any paymets and she has a 12 month medical certificate she dose not no where to go or who to contact about appealing they are telling her sje can not aply for payments is there someone in the government she can contact
What are the minimum hours you have to work to still receive Newstart payments? My job agency keeps trying to shove full-time work down my throat and I have other commitments for the rest of this year so I can’t do that.
Do I have a right to leave a job where they are verbally harassing me even though I am doing the job to their standards? I’m talking about a guy who sits behind a desk and yells at you every 5 seconds and uses the word fuck every second or third word. I was assigned to this job straight away on the day of my first appointment with my agency, they didn’t even give me a chance to look for my own jobs. Do I have the choice to discontinue the work based on it not being suited to my skill set as well as it being abusive?
Yes I would leave on the grounds of workplace bullying, If they breach you or centrelink asks why did you leave then you tell them you where reffered there by them(your job network) and forced into the job, Tell them you can’t and refuse to work with someone who yells and curses, Every employee should have the right to feel safe and secure and work and not intimidated by foul mouthed people and rude and arrogant managers and co workers
My job network had topped up my opal card to get to an interview of a job which I applied for myself, Now as I log into my.gov account I see my job network has referred me to a job which sounds very familiar to the one I applied all on my own, Are they trying to take credit for me getting the job myself?, I have heard about them doing this and then that’s how they get their bonuses, I appreciate them topping up my opal card but I don’t want them getting credit for my gaining the job myself, I know they will ask for pay slips but I have a right not to give them any right?
Just a question? Im employed as a casual so means i can get big hrs or little hrs recently i got a message from job network saying i no longer am required to look for work but i attended my job network app n saying now i have to work for the dole as well as study a course. I have family commitments and as casual i have a roster otherwise get called. I dont know what my rights are here and confused as nothing shows up on my job seeker page when i log in
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Dear sir/madam
My name is mohamed Ali African live in Sydney. Unemployment. My job provider max employment run by Asians and Arabs who doesn’t comply with Australian laws. They are lazy who just seat there to play their computers and doesn’t help at all .these people have forced me to come their office three day a week one hr each day.their computer is slow and busy.so I don’t understand why I have to go there for three day for only one hr only.
Other job provider their client only goes there one day a week. The law must apply to all job seekers.
If I talk to talk them and tell them how wrong they are they can black mail me with Centrelink and invent a lie about me.
So I am in trouble, we are in trouble as a job seekers because the government leted fraud people to run job providers and these people don’t care about us or do the right things.so if the government give us this welfare why treat us like subhuman and gave this people power to hurt us.
Thanks you
M ali
my provider says they cant pay for a course what should i do also they put me in a job i had been unfairly dismissed and they told me they couldnt help me with any claim or anything
Hey my job provider is status employment so my nephew passed away last year on the 8/7/18 which was really heart breaking for our family and my sister because that was her first and Only Child so this year was his first year anniversary so me and my family organised the event on Saturday then on Monday it was the 8th of july and I and activity to attend from Monday to Thursday so I rang them on Monday 9:00 and all through the morning and also while I was on my way to the cemetery and status doesn’t open till 9:00 no answer it rang the first time and then the 10th time it just didn’t ring and it says the line is busy so I had to go to the cemetery after I finished ringing them still no answer so I thought maybe they will see my missed calls and call me back no call back from status so then the next day comes around and I get a message saying my payments are suspended so I get ready to go to my course and and it starts at 9:00 and finished at 3:45 and so I rang them on brake no answer until I called them again and buy this time it was lunch brake and they answered and I gave her my details as you do and I told her I tried to call them on Monday to tell them why I couldn’t go to the activity because I was at the cemetery for my nephew’s anniversary and all the lady said was ok I sent your provider an email to give you a call so I waited for that call nothing till Wednesday and she called me during my class I told the job provider person why I didn’t go to the activity on Monday and that I tried to call them on Monday but no one answered and all she said was that’s not good enough you have my personal number why didn’t you call me and I thought that when you get a text to say your payments are suspended and it says contact your provider and it has an 08 number don’t you ring that number that is in the text so anyways she told that being at the cemetery for my nephew’s anniversary wasn’t good enough so she gave me a penalty but I’m an Aboriginal and in my culture we take anniversaries seriously some don’t but that’s ok because it’s each to their own but anyway I don’t know what to do I just broke down and cried because I was just over it.
I was in the wftd phase before I went overseas and worked for 4 months. I’ve been off newstart for 6 months. I lodged a new claim but now my provider is saying I’m still in the wftd phase. How is this possible? I stopped receiving payments from the end of January and worked during the period. Why do I have to do wftd straight away? No one, including my provider, is able to explain it to me. How long do I have to be off newstart to clear the wftd phase?
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Something needs to be done about these parasitic recruitment companies, and the ignorant stupid people hired as resource managers I am not a resource I am a person how dear they, such fools are blocking older workers from getting a job, they lie and say it is the employer, then one should do business with such companies, they deserve to collapse.
My son has epilepsy and has had grand mal siezures.He is on medication and has been for a number of years
The medication was working until the last 6 months or so. The siezures where under control or so he and relatives thought so .but 3 times that I witnessed his siezures changed to 30 to 40 sec blackouts.we both went to the local gap and I sent an email to the neurologist dept and reported this. He got from the gp medical certificate to cover him for the 5 weeks until he can see the specialist to review his medication.
Centrelink refused the certificate on the grounds that in the assessment he had 6 months earlier he said he was able to drive and operate machinery.
What he Didn’t realise was that he has no recollection of these new symptoms and he was sure that nothing had happened.
The GMS used to give him headaches and bruises cuts etc from thrashing around. He does not know he has mini seizures.
We now have to go back to the GP and get him to reissue another amended certificate. He will not receive any benefits until he has done so.
The supervisor at Centrelink was understanding but her hands were tied by the gov rules.
In the mean time I being the only able driver have ro go through the whole dr Centrelink JobSearch routine again.
Unfair he wants to work but who will give you a job if you tell the employer you might fall down or hurt some innocent person
SUCKS
Hi just a question my Disability work provider has made about 8 of us attend sessions all together sometimes there are different people making us introrduce our selfs everytime doing discloser of Disability or not practices among other time wasting things and then been told they won’t fund any training or pay for licences what not unless we already have a job lined up that makes no sense what so ever to me.
My Provider who provides nothing by me to make them money, and get “respect” from the Government by making out -I need them- when most of my time is spent trying to get away from them because they are making thing about 100 times harder for me to find work or do anything. THEY ARE NOT PROVIDERS, do not call them this they provide nothing but abuse – REFER TO THEM AS DESTROYERS, JOB SEARCH ARE DESTROYING NOT ONLY THE careers or potential carerrs of peope but alos the whole welfard system that was at least functional and helpful, not great but it did at least work for the people it is suppose to be their for and serve, not it is destroying the people it si suposet to servce
Equality and equal opportunity for MEANS WHITE AUSTRALIANS TOO EVERY ONE has the basic right to have air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat and sufficient shelter to protect us from the elements. We all have the right to have equal opportunity in regards to education, medical assistance, work, transport and the like, as well as to have freedom of thought, speech and action, and the right to live.
WHITE AUSTRALIANS WHO BUILT THIS COUNTRY ALSO HAVE THE FIRST RIGHT TO ITS FACILITIES AND CULTURE AND WORK PLACES THAT WE AND OUR FOREFATHER, BUILD, CREATED, THOUGHT OUT FAIRLY AND IN A GOOD WAY, AND WHAT OUR “ELDER”: FOUGHT FOR, BUT THIS IS BEING TAKEN BY EVERYONE ELSE AND WE ARE BEING DENYED OUR ‘FIRST RIGHTS” TO WHAT OUR ENGLISH AND WHILE CULTURE CREATED HERE. IF PEOPLE ANT TO LIVE WITH THEIR OWN CULTURES THEN GO BACK TO WHERE THAT IS, OR IF PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN THE DESERT THEN GREAT DO THAT BUT THAT BUT DO NOT TAKE OVER WHAT THE ENGLISH CREATED – AND IF OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO DO THAT HTEY HAVE TO PAY ENGLAND AND WHITE AUSTRALIANS FOR THAT
Peopl are coming here and taking the jobs our culture english culture creatd, as if they are theirs, what right do they have to claim our culture and that is the jobs we created
Guys just a bit of info when you are dealing with either Centrelink and or JSA make sure you write down everything no matter how small or trivial it might be it’s just to cover your own backside as they will lie about everything ,Secondly dont give them (JSA) any payslips only tell Centrelink as they are the ones that pay you not JSA ,Also other info that might be of use is Workcover ACT 2003 pertaining to disclosure of pre-existing injuries it’s a requirement to tell the employer of it if the job will aggrevate the pre existing injures and you can also use parts of the law in your defense.
Pre-Existing Injuries
Lastly if you have an appointment with Centrelink and they ask why you can’t get a job tell them that the employer said
because you have pre-existing injuries they won’t take you make sure you use the law pertaining to Pre-existing injuries According to Social Security Law Job Plan 1:3:4 what JSA can’t put in a job plan.
It’s no-one else’s business what disability one has ,also it’s a waste of time trying to get anything out of JSA’s they don’t care they are there to make sure that you are doing your Mutual Obligation Requirements that’s it, also if you are sent to an interview or to work for the dole just tell them what pre- existing injuries you have as it’s against the law to ordersomeone to do something that will re aggrevate the injury.
Make sure you cover yourself by saying and writing everything down that way it will be on their shoulders and not yours
Part Two
If you fail to disclose that you have any existing injuries and you get injured whilst working sadly your on your own and your not entitled to any compensation so its highly imperative you tell everyone that way there’s a long paper trail and can hold people accountable if you are forced to work and if you unfortunately get injured you can go after them
I left work due to bullying
I worked for over 4 years and took hardly any annual leave
Therefore when I left got a lump sum payout for annual leave
I attended an appointment at centre link and provided my superannuation certificate
Centerlink then calculated my annual leave as pay and struck me off the system and said I would have no benefits or payments until the 2Nd of January
My problem is all the annual leave went to pay previous debts
I now have no income at all and no benefits
They said if I were to have taken the holidays two weeks at a time I would not have been stuck off and would have been eligible for part payment
Please help…I don’t understand
Sorry was ment to be separation certificate
Hi Julia,
Might be able to help bit, unfortunately Centrelink is correct because you receive a lump sum payout they calculate how long you are exempt from recieving any payments.
Though having said that what you should do is to gather all the documents listed below.
Lump Sum payout document
Document pertaining to the payment of all your debts
Collect &fill in Centrelink financial hardship form ( if there is such a form)
If possible go to your GP advise him of your situation and if possible ask for a written letter explain you are in financial hardship.
If you can write down everything that was said ( Date.time .who advised you )
Ask Centrelink to printout their document on their reason for denied payment (if you haven’t already received it )
Once you have all the documents go back to Centrelink n tell them you request a review from a authorize review officer and make sure you tell Centerlink to photocopy all your documents and include them in your request for a review
It will take some time ,if they side with Centrelink take it to Administrative Appeals tribunal ,this is all free at no cost
I would do it ASAP the sooner the better
Don’t give up don’t except their word being the one and only decision , by doing all this there is a paper trail ,last but not least make sure you have everything and always write everything down to cover yourself ,
All the best !!!
I’ve done all that I should do but have been cut off my payment for not meeting job search requirements, this is simply not true.
Hi Sam, If you have done all that ,My next step would be to get from them the document listing what they have advised you of what requirements you didn’t do ,secondly if you have your own evidence ( ie written notes in diary time, date ,what activity you did ) photocopy that also Centrelink’s letter ,Go to Centrelink demand a review ( they are legally required to do so ) by the Authorized Review Officer ,if they side with Centrelink ,take them to the Administrative Appeals Tribunnal all this is free . You need all the evidence you can get your hands on ; don’t give up !!! All the best
I have had beyond my limits of what I can sanely take any more in regards to unemployment poverty and the latchings on of sickening amoebic arrogant desperate pieces of pond life shit JSP’s.
My mother who has just come out of 6 weeks stay in hospital after nearly dying from stroke and siezures….these pieces of fucking dogshit Max Employment Joondalup I have told them I cannot fucking stand all of this to the point of where I soon will just get in my car and drive far away from here and nobody will see me again ever as I cannot tolerate any further having no job>work>$.
Even when I told them she would be left here on her own these fucking callous ignorant assholes have basically ignored me and I have elected that I do not ever wish to see their shit bitch try hard provisional cheap and nasty smack psychologist because that skank once breached privacy/confidentiality protocol because she allowed this consultant who also did look like an insect to sit in during my appointments with this other reckless do what she likes idiot!
They have done fuck all for 6 months I am at home with my mother who needs me here all the time and those fucking dickheads at Max Employment Joondalup still expect me on DES to all on my own look for a job and my treating consultant psychiatrist even told Centerlink on the E-sat paperwork that he strongly recommends that I receive a damn sight better than what I have only received in 6 months assistance to find and get paid work these fucking bastards have done nothing except antagonise the living shit out of me.
When my mother was in hospital I told them I wasn’t sure if my mum was going to be able to come home again and said to them that I was extremely anxious and distressed that I was going to end up homeless as well as jobless….these pieces of spleenless shit Max Employment didn’t even fucking well bother responding and they are infuriating me to the point where I have thoughts of smashing all there windows and going into a recruiting company finding the managing director and beating his fucked face to a pulp because of the way this asshole shit spoke to me about 2 years ago as far as I am concerned now they are all just the fucking same anyhow and don’t realise just how agitated a bloke can become after being denied PAID work for far too long I don’t give a fuck anymore about the consequences none of these shit cunts here in Perth Western Australia give a fuck about any cunt but themselves I fucking hate peoples guts right now I could probably end up killing one of these spiteful fucks.
I mean if people want to be cunts about money then I can just suddenly become a monster cunt about money like they say the root of all evil fuck them im so on the edge of an extremely sharp razor now I will walk in to one of these places and raise the place right to the fucking ground with them in it with just my bare hands I will be like that looney tunes Tasmanian devil cartoon character and demolish everything in my path!
Yeah they are listed as one of the most cancerous scamming scum to set up in Aus they all should have the assets seized by the Aus gov and deported back to where THEY come from.
Hi Billynah,unfortunately yours is not an isolated case you only have to google Max Employment review it lists what people have to say about this company they are there to make sure jobseekers adhere to their mutual obligations they don’t care about anything else you can check out on AUWU site Don’t be fooled : An analysis Of jobactive
I had a successful interview on Wednesday, landed the job, congrats handshakes, welcomes, swapped numbers with the woman I’d be working directly with, even invited to the company Christmas party this Saturday night, complete with a ride as it’s 400km away. Spoke on the phone with them that afternoon discussing the contract, all was well, I accepted the hours, chatted about rostering and they said they would call me back in a ‘few minutes’.
It’s now Friday, I’m still waiting. I just got a call from my job active lady who asked me why I had refused the offer and that I could be losing my payments for 4 weeks. This company had gone back and told them I had said refused, I had wasted their time because they had to travel to meet me, and they were – and I quote – “pissed” the agency had sent me to them.
I’m so angry, I’m crying. How are we supposed to win? I’m now facing Christmas with $30 and a quarter tank of petrol because of their lie.
Sorry you are having such a bad time Courtney, I hope things get better for you real soon
Hi Courtney,Sorry to here that they screwed you around ,I hoped that you wrote everything down in a diary if you did you can submit it with Centrelink to prove that they lied, to advoid being cut off once you have done that I would release everything to the media and anyone else about this company . They want to screw you around ,well you to can play that game ,I have done this and it has worked ,
All the best !!!
Hi, I can’t find the information I’m after…dose anyone know what the requirements are…my work for the dole has me doing 6hours and 45 minutes so they don’t have to give me the second 15 minute break which everyone else gets…how do I get my starting time changed to 10am so I can receive this break. Max employment won’t help.
Hi Min,
Your question has stumped me! have research your question but haven’t been able to find any info on it you could try AUWU office on 03 9811 7064 or 1800 289 848 and ask them your question , as for your last statement ,Max Employment are useless as a wet paper towel if I were you I would ditch them ASAP ,they simply don’t care look up reviews on max employment you will see how other people have been treated ! All the Best
Thank you I will give them a call
Hi Guys,
Just read some of your comments and got really depressed. I am 62, have no official qualifications as we had our own business until hubby had 3 heart attacks and bypass surgery and we lost every thing. I found that I was ‘on the scrap heap’ and too old for most jobs, no written qualifications for others. I volunteered at an Aged Care home for 3 years then signed up to study, (long distance so its flexible and I can still volunteer). I have been studying for 2 months in Individual Care and have just been offered a part time job. My job provider has been a great help, arranging and paying for short courses, police check, working with children’s and has offered money for work clothes and shoes. I have seen both sides of Centrelink and their agents, a lot of it has driven me to distraction, but lately, they have been great, helpful and considerate..honestly!!!!
As for the poor fellow who wants to drink, gamble, go overseas for holidays AND still get paid centrelink payments..you give us all a bad name, work for the dole, volunteer or better still GET A JOB!! Many of us do that, and I know how hard it is, but you act like centrelink payments are a life choice not a support aid, totally disgusting.
Just a bit of info
1. Do not give JSP your payslips ,only give this to Centrelink as they are the ones that pay you !
2. WFTD is not the only activity you can do ,you can do courses ( check with Centrelink as to what is accepted )
3. The reason why JSP refer the unemployed to WFTD is because they get paid for sending people there !
4. Centrelink Medical Certificates are valid for 3 months only ,they won’t accept them for the same condition
5. If you have chronic health conditions JSP cannot include any activity that will re aggravate the illness, injury and disability as it’s listed in the Social Security Jobplan guildlines
6. When you have JCAR done don’t believe everything that’s written in the report as the assessor doesn’t have all the facts, they don’t know your background and sometimes they are not qualified to do such assessments
7. When you are dealing with either Centrelink or JSP make sure you write down/ record everything whether its trivial or small in a diary , what was said ,who said what ,time ,date, month .also asked for documentations
8.Never trust Centrelink and / or JSP as they will lied straight to your face
9. You have several outlets to fight Centrelink and JSP
step 1. File a review with a authorized( Centrelink ) review officer
step 2. Take it to the Administrative Appeals tribunal level 1
step 3. Level 2 administrative Appeals tribunal
10. You can if you want to forward your case to ACA and the media outlets
11. Don’t let JSP push you around make sure you research everything before you sign your job plan , the job plan documents outlines what you must do and what you are wanting to do
12 JSP are there to make sure you are for filling you mutual obligations and nothing else it’s none of their business how much your getting paid
13 only sign your mutual obligation documents that’s all that is required
Whar is a JCAR? Sometimes I know your trying to help the appreciations for some of us are not known that is why we come to this site.
You state ” Don’t let JSP push you around make sure you research everything before you sign your job plan” Not always possible as many threaten to have your payments suspended and demerits if not signing often on the spot.
To the above,
JCAR – Job Capacity Assessment Report
You are allowed 48 hrs to go through the job plan ,it’s called think time ,it’s also a requirement under the Social Security job plan guidelines as long as you make another appointment within the 48hrs ,it’s also illegal for them to threaten anyone if they don’t sign the first job plan .
To report the Job agency to ph 1300 854 414, making sure you have evidence (as noted Above ) to hand over
All the best
Following on ,it’s extremely important to do as much as possible research before attending your JSP that way you will know exactly what your rights are,if possible print out the information hand it to them otherwise just write the item down in a note pad . Cheers
INFO, for all who visit this page
When people lodge Centrelink Medical Exemption Certificates time after time your case is Refered to a Centrelink Authorized Review Officer who is the one that authorizes a Job Capacity Assessment report to be done ,of note the JCA report is based on the information that Centrelink is given ie the medical certificates and any medical reports beware that if they haven’t see all the GP notes they don’t ask for them the outcome of that report I think amounts to bias and narrow minded they don’t look at the wider picture also of importants and one to be careful of is if you go to a Centrelink branch to lodge a request for a review be careful for what you tell the officer as they will write in, in a different way what you are unhappy with to make it look like you said that as you have no control on how it is interpreted by them.
When you complain about them take note they will twist your statements around to show that they were right and you are wrong and tend to shift the blame on you ,THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU more updates to follow take care !
Update,
If people are sick to deaf having to phone Centrelink’s Complaints and feedback line to complain only to have your complaint whitewash over your can email Hank Jongen direct via his secretary at hank@humanservices.gov.au
Trust me it only took 1 day for a response .
More updates to follow !
Hi,
Be careful how you formulate your complaint!
I let it rip on several occasions to both Centrelink and the relevant ombudsman, with derailed complaints with reference to human rights, or lack thereof, legal responsibility and duty of care. I’m disabled, with no support at all, was forced onto new start and refused even the application kit for dsp 7 times. It was only for my neurologist that eventually, after declined dsp applications, reviewsetc, that I was able to access a reduced dsp allowance.
I too have experienced all these issues as outlined by contributors, it’s a disgrace . 4 years it took me, unimaginable suffering, regularly going without food, medication etc for 5 plus days because my payments were cut off fir 3 months due to an administrative error, I could go on but that’s not my point.
The last complaint I lodged was due to me being forced into homelessness over suspended payments (another story all together). Soon thereafter, my myGov account was cancelled by Centrelink, and to reinstate, I need to reapply from scratch. No explanation available as to who, why, how this would happen, and told to focus on the solution, not the problem. I’ve been without access now fir 2 years, and life is actually impossible without it.
Over the preceding 12 months, I lodged 34 complaints as per above, most of which were finalised without any communication being made with myself, simply dismissed.
However, i started noticing issues with my personal emails, missing emails, emails not sending final drafts, but rather preliminary draft notes etc etc. my mail started going missing from a locked letter box, and in general, things started to occur, eg unprovoked road rage incidents, incidents when I was out and about being approached by people I’d never met before, incidents with my long term (22 years) friends started occurring that were out of place. One by one, my life appeard to transform from a boring, routine existence I’d always had, to then become full of increasingly unexplainable, difficult, problems.
Of course Larger problems insured and accessessing both gov and private sector services became virtually impossible to get help, my home broken into several occasions over a short period of time, pets with unexplained, phantom illnesses, issues with my electronic devices, email not sending etc. police were called by ‘someone’ on several occasions to undertake ‘health checks’ for no apparent reason, and forced gained entry to my home, went through my computer without my knowledge, until I discovered them upon when arriving home. phone and internet services continually unavailable(prepaid services) for hours on end. My laptop has mysterious spyware and key loger, as per an independent it guru, and I don’t have a moments privacy. Bazar and perplexing issues continue to occur, without explanation. Eg My spare car keys have gone missing, as has all my Id, things go missing from my car all the time, all stored in the same “hidyhole”. It goes on and on.
Life has suddenly become exceptionally difficult to navigate, compounded by my physical disability, then came the unimaginable homelessness.
Now, what I’m going to say may sound far fetched, but this is my experience. After a good 6 months of senseless unusual, ongoing unexplained issues, i started becoming more aware of my surroundings and safety. Then, I realised the same people, seemed to be doing the same activities as me, at the same time, week after week. Further, the same cars seemed to go to the same places as I, cars driven by the same people I’d started to become farmillar with.
In sum, I can confirm I’ve been under some type on unexplained ‘surveillance’, by these unknown folk fir well over 12 months, I have no idea who they are, why they are doing what they are doing, when it’s going to stop. It make no absolutely no sense, the behaviour illogical, and what even more concerning is not a single person willing to assist me, there is nothing I can do to remedy this travesty. Police say I need more evidence, I have no recourse. This should not be happening to anyone else in this Country , however it is,
Niw, I’m not accusing anyone in particular for this strange turn of events. However, my life has been somewhat boring, uneventful, ‘normal’ up to the point I lodged a series if complaints with Centrelink raising, what in my opinion, were some exceptionally concerning issues relating to my humanitarian, my judicial and my Australian rights. Todate these 34 complaints remain outstanding, however, according to dhs, were Finalised years ago, and when I again ask what’s happening with a resolution or response, I’m told there is no point in my ‘rehashing history’??? !
Moral of this strange little story is be careful. Unfortunately, we don’t know what is or isn’t possible, until it happens! We have no control over what the government does, and if I had my time over, I would trade almost anything for my ‘right’ to quiet enjoyment, my ‘right’ to privacy for my ‘right’ to my own life.
Good luck comrades!
AH the joys of dealing with Centrelink ,trying to deal with them on a daily basis is like a merry go round ride at a fair ground once your on you just go round n round n round in circles , incompetent just about sums it up !
My favorite is operation integrity it’s the job active system that need the AFP to investigate they zero to no Integrity at all
My partner’s brother has been put in hospital in critical condition and she wishes to travel to her family’s in this bad time but she is worried that she will have her payments cut for not doing her work for the dole. It’s the weekend and can’t contact the employment service till Monday morning.
Hi Luke,
I hear you if I were you I would ring your JSP and her WFTD Co ordinator leave a voice message also send an email to centrelink hank@humanservices .gov ASAP that way you will have a record also write in a diary everything( date time what message you conveyed what hospital you attended also if possible speak to a hospital nurse why you are there ) ,under the terms of WFTD this is classified as a reasonable excuse that way there is a paper/conversation trail to back your reasons All the best
For everyone who is dealing with Centrelink and JSP you better start buying folders and a hole punch to store the mountains of crap that is coming your way, as if people are already stresssed out dealing with these leaches be prepared to get swamped with their B.S paperwork and don’t forget to clear your shelves in your study for all the folders yet to appear. Til next time !
Update ,just receive in mail today some 170 pages ( WOW !!! ) full of crap basically 2 years full of B.S paper work for which I requested a review on the 13th January UNBELIVABLE!!! What a complete waste of paper Til next time the circus continous
Forget complaining to Centrelink, they don’t bother to read it or even look at it or responding to it ,all they do is scan it onto your file and just ignore you as I’m sure they get bombarded with complaints left right and centre they simply could careless about anyone else,put another way SELF ENTITLED CIRCUS CLOWNS !
My payment was stopped a few days ago because I did not meet my requirements, only problem is that they were requirements i didn’t know i had, i recently enrolled in an online tafe course part time, but without my knowledge or approval my job plan was changed to include a minimum 54 hours per fortnight of full time study at the newcastle campus, but my course is online and only part time.
Even if the changes were valid, are they allowed to change my job plan without telling me?
Hi Andrew, you need to double check your job plan you sign,they simply cannot change your job plan without you agreeing to the change. Ring Centrelink and advise them of what you are doing ,they will be able to advise you on what the requirements are regarding your study.( Make sure you write down everything date,time who you spoke to and what was said Secondly ask for everything to be written down on a document ) The other thing you can do is contact Dept of Jobs & small business and complain to them ( ph 1800 805 260 ) If you are with Max Employment I suggest you dump them also you can change agency if they don’t listen to you Phone 1300 854 414 request you want to change agency !
All the best !
Can anyone tell me why I’m being harassed by one of these job providers when I don’t get any income from centrelink? My partner just got injured, he earns just over the threshold with his workers comp as they’ve based his pay off the past 13weeks (he took on extra shifts due to corona and people leaving) when he was in hospital a friend suggested I apply for centrelink.. so I applied for centrelink. He’s now recovering at home, he will go back to normal hours soon in around4- 5 weeks. His hours will be less so we will be under the threshold and i might earn something from centrelink…Right now I’m earning $0 from centrelink, the past 4 weeks I’ve earn $0 due to his workers comp income. Yet these job providers have called up telling me I need to agree to their jobplan ASAP… and to do all these activities… I’m not getting any payments. Literally nothing. Not even the corona supplement
I’d rather look for work on my own if im not going to be paid and have to deal with this cr@p. But I don’t want to cancel centrelink in case I haven’t found a job by the time my partner returns to work as I’d have to reapply all over again and wait. What are my rights? Should I just tell them to shove it and look for work on my own?
Hi Kara, If you are not recieving any money from Centrelink ignore them ,they cannot force you into signing anything they just like to bully and make threats against you,what You should do is keep a diary write down everything time date what was said and by whom that way you have a record, don’t respond to them because it will stay on record and if you need to go on Centrelink in the future it may come back to haunt you JSP are bad news.
If you applyed for Centrelink payments and got accepted you have to sign up to a Job Service Provider
If you didn’t you have nothing to worry about and can’t be punished
See my other posts under RAMWIDES name
Following on from Above posts if people are threaten by JSP’s for not signing job plan on the spot I would write down in a diary/note pad time date what was spoken whom the staff member is the company name, with said info write a report ( make a copy of report ) go to the police in person advised them you wish to file a report about the threats made to you make sure you get a ref no and the police member’s name ,then email the report along with police info to dept of Jobs&small business ,turn the tables back on them ( do not advise your JSP what you are doing )
THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. Just an idea to get back at them !
Is it normal for Centrelink to pay you, (during the Corona virus period, at each point of the month a policy maybe inforced on your requirements, for example no job search, or activity’s during this period ect unless otherwise)and on the statement it states you were paid xxxx amount for that previous period, then nothing appears in the bank account, yet states on the following requirement to report in the next coming fortnight, while also stating (regardless if punished or not because the demerits have been removed temporarily) yet it constantly states I have a on going appointment.
But the job provider has stated I’ll be disconnected from them for not contacting them in last 3 months, yet regardless of the situation I have not been penalised since covid19, but payments have not been transferred to the bank account nor any penalties, it just says next job provider appointment.
Even the last phone call assessment appointment on the phone, requirement in the my.gov activity sheet stated attended when I never accepted the call because my number was not up to date.
So is it normal for Centrelink to send a invoice that you were paid when no payment was met, or is that something the job providers doing to circumvent me attending.
Matthew, there is nothing normal about Centrelink nor JSP’s they both spin BS
Hey,
Thanks for the wonderful information. It solved many of my problems. Thanks again.
Above info used is collated from AUWU sites and from my own personal knowledge, experiences, opinions and things I’ve done in dealing with various Government beaurcratic departments and others and my refusal to be allowed to be walked over and treated like crap
Disclosure :
Info is of a generalized nature, opinions and views are that of my own and that of no one else
My provider is job statewide. I asked for money for pants for interview. They said no, 2 hrs before interview. Same re shoes. Missed interview. No job. Slack F…..! Hoe
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Thanks for the lists.Nicely elaborated.Very informative post.
Generalized info only
There are several things you can do about these arrogant JSP
1. Gather as much evidence as possible
2. Write a formal complaint report detailing everything
3. Lodge it with department responsible for these JSP Via email
4. Wait for any feedback, If that doesn’t work send it to the Commonwealth Ombudsman via Email
5. send a copy to hank@humanservices.gov.au
6. If that fails to receive a response you may wish to take it to Civil Administrative Tribunal ( there is a fee to pay for lodgment ) in ones state
7.Or take it to the Administrative Appeal Tribunal
8. Very Important to have all correspondence via Emails if possible or written letters
9. Evidence needed Dates,Times,Month,Peoples names, what was said ,by whom, what the conversation was about,replys
10. Note Centrelink records everything about you , they do everything as listed (in line 9 )
11. You have to try and beat them and JSPs at there own game
12. This is just suggestions and not advice
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Generalized info
When handing in documents make sure you ,
A. Keep a copy for your records
B. Get Centrelink staff to stamp and sign it
C. If you have to mail documents to Centrelink, if possible send it via registered post that way it will be on their shoulders if they lose them.
Having read stories about Centrelink staff blaming customers for missing documents and telling fibs ,this is one way to hold them to account
When you attend a Centrelink office requesting forms make sure you,
Write down in a diary the date, the time ,the month, and what was said and fore most important the staff members name and also their employee ID number that way you have evidence in which you can use against them if they have lied and that you can prove they straight out lied,keep everything when dealing with Centrelink
Letters, diaries, notes, registed envelope dockets/stickers
All this helps if further down the track it needs to go to the AAT to show them Centrelink staff are incompetent
Centrelink staff will lie and mis quote info
# Some info may have been repeated previously ,apology #
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Generalized piece
Regarding the system that’s been put in place surrounding jobseekers obligations is of no surprise due to both sides of politics failing to fix on going problems,Governments don’t care they only care about themselves and therefore handout multi million dollar contracts to companies outside of Australia to supply goods and services rather than look after Australian workers first,unfortunately the unemployed and thoses recieving government handouts pay the price because jobs are heading overseas,price of everything is going up and sucessive governments are allowing migrant workers to come to Australia to work.
The unemployed has become big business for job agencies base overseas thereby compounding the issue forcing unemployed to do work for the dole and threatening them if they dont cowtell to their demands so they can claim their commission for supposedly getting their client a job but in reality is a blatant lie ,Given the current state of the job market I don’t see how that’s going to improve.
Those Job Service Agencies are absolutely hopeless and pathetic nothing but a money making machine to feed the millionaires who own them and to berate and threaten the people who need help the most,Since the explosion of these agencies has appeared it has made the situation worst from threatening jobseekers to straight out lying to Services Aus tralia.The treatment of Unemployed is disgraceful both from the government and Job Agencies
Until things change nothing will happen the unemployed will still be bombarded with new obligations and demands,both sides of governments are to blame but will not admit it punishing those who try to fight back ,given the failure we are stuck in this never ending cycle. Over the pass years jobs have slowly disappeared newstart hasn’t changed and unemployed are constantly being blame and labeled as not wanting to work however if there are no new businesses being set up then the blame should be the government for failing to do it’s job that is to attract big corporations to set up in Australia ,Unfortunately the Unemployed are the easy targets we are the ones to blame and both sides of governments are more interested in protecting their own jobs and all the perks that go with it and if that’s not enough might as well rip off tax payers even more with holiday junkets overseas for the whole family and or charge taxpayers costs of fine dining and hotel stays
Jobseekers have no out but are force to follow orders or pay the price if one fails to abide by their mutual obligations to receive ones meager fortnightly payment compared to Governments and multi million dollar Job agencies owners who live the highlife at the expense of people who live at or below the poverty line
Hi, Im on newstart and I am doing casual work. When I have to report a certain amount hours per fornite which is on job plan and unable to report tht amount of hours per fornite because I had to look after sick grandson for 2 days then I got stomach bug for 2 days. So I cldnt work for these days. Im unsure on how Im supose to report the proper ours when I cldnt do them and still get paid when I report
Joy, what I do is when you are well enough phone into Centrelink advise them of your reason of unable to report earnings then they will back pay you the money.
Hi
With the various changes that have inevitably been written into the change from Newstart to Job Seeker, where do we stand today with regards to requests from my Provider (Job Prospects, Marion SA) for my payslips? This is a job that I found myself without any help from them, and have refused them any contact with my employer on their Information Disclosure Authority form. I have reported my new employer, income and hours worked to Centrlink but the Provider is saying that they need to ‘confirm the ABN’ via my payslips or Contract. Do I need to provide any payslips these days?
TIA
Geoff.
Adding to this, I am 60 years old and working 30 hours per week therefore meeting all requirements of my Annual Activity Requirements. However, my Provider is refusing to update my Job Search requirements (currently 8 jobs per month) to zero, as well as all the appointments I have to go to, as they are saying that they cannot confirm that I’m actually working. I realise that they need a payslip to prove to their boss I’m working in order to receive their payments, but have the rules changed that now say I have to prove to them that I’m working, and not just Centrelink?
Geoff, Beware. Job service Agencies like to make up their own rules ,like to bully, threaten and intimidate There are no changes surrounding what you have mention
under no circumstances are you required to handover any payslips ,they want them so they can claim their commission only tell centerlink they pay you not The job service agency,Secondly Job service agency does not require ABN from your boss to prove you are working ,They just want it so they can claim the credit and of course their commission The other thing you can do is report them to the department responsible for them tell them if they don’t take action you will ( if you want to ) take them to the AAT all free! See F.A.C.M posts above
When I told JSA I wouldn’t provide payslips, told me that’s okay, just e-mail us your earnings and hours. Can they cut me off if I don’t provide? Not keen to give those details.
You only need to sign the Job plan ( Mutual Obligations ) document .do not sign anything else it is not required forthwith
After reading and noticing people posting comments on this forum regarding Job service agency demanding jobseekers to hand over payslips and sometimes employers ABN, I write the following in regards to everyone’s comments it is not permitted for these agencies to demand these documents they want them so they can claim their commission to prove they are doing their job , in regards to them asking for the Employers ABN this has nothing to do with them either their goal is so to harass the employer to collect money if one reads info on AUWU website it mentions everything do not believe everything JSAs advise you on ,it helps to be arm with the knowledge surrounding this issue otherwise they will work all over you to make you look stupid as others have mention in this forum JSAs will bully and threaten jobseekers they do not do anything but will destroy your job therefore forcing you to remain on their books for internity all the while collecting their payment. They are not there to do anything for you except to use you for their gain.
Centerlink and the ATO are the only authorized government body that has the power to know what money you are being paid and no one else ,the only power the JSA have is to make sure that a job plan has been signed detailing the course of action one is required to do ( Mutual Obligations ) and also to report to centerlink if you haven’t fulfilled ones obligation that’s it no other signed document or request is permitted.
Ever since the government has given out multimillion dollar contract to these agency it’s opened to abuse by the JSA to do what ever they want do this do that with no comeback JSAs will make up their own rules without sticking to the laws its all about abusing the system and jobseekers ,they are only in it for the money and we are their slaves to kick to the curb , and will do whatever it takes to continue with this behavior, next time they demand you hand over payslips and or ask to sign disclosure of release info form ask them for the document( from the department that looks after JSAs) stating it’s a requirement to do so if they can’t then you’ll know their full of B.S
Question surrounding JSAs and payslips
Further info : Google Search. Type in Rule Surrounding handing over payslips to JSAs then scroll down to (PDF) Response to Question temple click on, it clearly states in black and white from a senator
Welcome to AUSTRALIA 2020
Issues people facing in Australia who want work
JOB Service Provider Behaviour = threats. Bullying. Intimidation. Careless Money hungry self centered and aggressive
Labour hire firms = cheap source of labour. , no permanent job , no job security
Australian Government = threaten job seekers , award multi million contracts to outside companies , companies closing down or heading overseas
Summary this is what it looks like for Australians looking for work !
No job security , Casual positions , Explosion of job service providers , Major contracts head overseas , Work for the dole cheap source of labour , More red tape , Underemployment ,allow migrant workers in to work , Full time work becoming scarce
Thanks for confirming R.A.C.M. They’ll get nothing from me except the runaround. I have a few Working Credits left for when I next report, after that I’ll be on zero payment from Centrelink. That’s when I hit the JSA with some hard facts about payslip requests. I’m looking forward to it.
Geoff, your welcome ,glad I could help
Being pushed around by JSAs and Centrelink
Something I did and has worked if one is being pushed around by Centrelink and or JSAs fire off emails to Commonwealth Ombudsman, Services Australia ,Department in charge of JSAs and AAT letting them know what they are doing to you listing everything the more these organizations now about it the better,Having done every single time for the past 2.5 years have come out on top I refuse to be pushed around by incompetent morons hellbent on pile driving me into the ground
Centrelink entry level staff pay $60,560 p.a no wonder job seekers are struggling on $14,000 p.a while we suffer their living it up
JSA Employment consultants pay QLD $54,689. N.S.W. $ 58,506. VIC $ 54,000 p.a pay just below that of Centrelink entry level staff
Have just changed DES job provider, was asked to supply hours worked and earnings, (Im employed as a casual) Also job search was bumped up from 4 to 8? Although provider was friendly and genuine, something doesn’t feel legitimate. I too plan on leaving welfare and have experienced discouragement. Thoughts?
Jess, Under no circumstances are you required to hand over amount of earnings there is no law see my post 15th of November check your job plan if it’s not in the job plan you sign than they cannot increase it as for your last statement unfortunately this problem is widespread no matter what provider one goes to they all behave in the same way
Job Service Agencies and Disabilities Employment Services are only required to get Jobseekers to sign a job plan and nothing else that’s it Furthermore no are they permitted to ask for payslips
1. Under no circumstances are you required to hand them any payslips
2. Centrelink is the only authorized government body allowed to ask for them
3. There is no law requiring jobseekers to give payslips or businesses ABN to JSAs and DES
4. If they ask for them, ask them for the official document from the Department of Jobs and Small businesses requiring jobseekers to handover payslips, if they can’t then they are lying and full of B.S
5. Jobseekers are only required to sign a job plan that’s it nothing else
6. You are not required to sign a release of disclosure info form
7. JSAs and DES are not your buddies they may act nice and charming at first but this is just a front to hide behind once they’ve got you your screwed and will abuse ,bully and threaten you.
For all other info check out my posts under R.A.C.M
Thanks for your prompt and succinct reply R.A.C.M., your information has validated my concerns about the JSA and unauthorised information they requested.
I secured my own employment just prior to signing up with the JSA they have stated they can’t help me with travel assistance and such unless i signed a document requiring me to supply payslips for 52 weeks the entire year if not they will contact my employer and request i signed this today because i was cornered and pounced on and now deeply regret it is their any way i can stop them after giving employer details and signing
Jess, glad I could help you out
Reply to the person who posted on November 27th @5:10 Firstly DO NOT give them your payslips or hours UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES there is no requirement by law send A formal complaint email to nationalcustomerserviceline@employment detailing everything DATE,TIME ,Any EMAILS, also tell them they are threatening you,
Please see my posts under RACM posts, im more than happy to try and help to the best of ability cheers
Jobseekers,
1. when you sign up to a JSA you only need to sign a job plan that’s all nothing else
2. If you are working tell Centrelink and advise the JSA
3. Do not give the JSA the businesses name, ABN
4. If the JSA demands payslips, Businesses name, ABN, hours employed ask for the official document from the department of jobs and small business requiring you to provide that information
5. If they threaten you report them
6. Asked for all correspondence/ communication to be on formal letterhead document or via email
7. Do not accept verbal advice
8. JSAs do not pay you ,don’t need to know how much you are paid or hours worked
Update: After receiving the last of my Working Credits pay offset from Centrelink and so now having nothing to lose, I hit my JSA (Job Prospects, Marion SA) with some hard facts.
1. I do not and will not be providing you with any payslips.
2. I have no requirement to give you my hours, pay or employer details as I report this to Centrelink.
3. I am now meeting all of my Mutual Requirements.
4. If you don’t update my Job Seeker requirements to zero jobs to apply for per month and stop ‘Compulsory Appointments’ with immediate effect, I will make a complaint to the highest level.
To be fair, there was a change of attitude from them, but only to say that I needed to update my Mutual Requirements to gain ‘an exemption’ and to then have access to a pool of financial help for my employment! The old ‘carrot on a stick’ trick. They still didn’t update my job search requirements.
I called Centrelink direct and explained the situation. They informed me that the JSA had no right to over rule my rights and fixed it up there and then. No Job Search Requirements for a year and no more Compulsory Appointments under threat of demerits.
To clarify my situation, I am 60 years old, have been on Job Seeker/Newstart since being retrenched last year due to the drought and am currently working in excess of the minimum hours per fortnight required to be exempt. I’m due a ‘compulsory appointment’ by phone next week – I shall be interested to see if it happens. I will also be demanding that they start fulfilling their side of the Mutual Obligations or they’ll be another complaint about them.
If they had helped in any way, I wouldn’t have minded them getting paid their fees, but they did sweet FA so they get nothing. That’s fair, right?
So, don’t be afraid to take these parasites on, Centrelink has revamped to be a little more consumer friendly (since so many people this year who had never been on a payment saw just how low and shitty these people make you feel, and were rightly outraged). Sign nothing except the Mutual Obligation/Job Plan and should you be fortunate enough to find your own job, give the JSA nothing except inform them you are now working.
Thanks again R.A.C.M for you posts and information. And if anyone from Job Prospects has the insight to read this thread, beware – you have been sussed.
Geoff, so glad I could help you it’s amazing what a little revenge can do to boost ones esteem Well Done !
Centrelink Communication
, Be careful on how you complain about Centrelink to centrelink and the ombudsman ,they will lie and twist stories around and will not have any sympathy towards you also to note they have a very cozy relationship with the commonwealth ombudsman they have their own eternal phone and email address which the public doesn’t know about,forget asking for staffs names they will black them out if you request documents
Every time you phone Centrelink caution on how you talk as it’s recorded it could possibly be used against you if decide to take Centrelink on they well and truly have everyone cornered ( us Vs them mentality ) also if you send them emails be
extra careful , mindful and the tone in which you express yourself don’t rush into firing off that email in the spur of the moment cause it may come back to haunt you .Lastly one has to cover yourself when dealing with Centrelink that’s why it’s very important to document everything
Jobseekers – JSPs and DES will not do anything for you, dont expect or request help they don’t care about your personal life or anything else as a matter of fact all they are interested in is making your life as miserable as can be ,force you to follow their rules with threats through to bullying and intimidation , make you wait # case in point waited for 30min while a 10 ton female beach whale continued making calls without any acknowledgement of me standing and waiting calling jobseekers to make sure they are following their job plan like some dictator #
Hi, currently on Jobseekers benefit.
Not able/fit to work.
My provider has made aware though he still sending me to a job interview/position/trial.
Was wondering will a medical certificate for the day of the job be okay? So I don’t get my payments cut off.
John, You can get a medical exempt certificate for 3 months that way you have time to get your health under control ,I don’t think you can get one just for a day
Hi there,
Have been employed full time now for 4 months, haven’t received benefits for 2 of those months and have cancelled my claim entirely over a month ago.
I still get weekly emails and today the first text message from my JSP ‘asking’ (basically demanding) for payslips.
(Note: The JSP in no way helped me get this new job)
Am I required to provide these payslips? or is it just their way of collecting more money for something they had no part in helping with?
Brad, In no circumstances are you required to hand over any payslips, Secondly there’s no law requiring you to do so,they just want it to claim more money See my other posts under RACM name
Hello, I received Jobseeker briefly in 2020 during CV but managed to pick up casual work and now a contract for 2021 (same employer I’ve been with since 2012) (reported my income every fortnight and was told by Centrelink to keep registered in case of further CV lockdowns, etc – so did not receive an allowance from Centrelink for the second half of 2020)
Anyway, the jobagency I was allocated to is now harassing me to provide them with a copy of my temporary work contract and to speak with my employer…(I emailed them to stop them sending job updates as I’m not longer looking for work) I’m confused as to why – they didn’t find me the job, I’ve barely spoken to them. Can I just ignore it? I do not receive any money from Centrelink and notified Centrelink that I am no longer an active jobseeker weeks ago.
I blocked their number and also blocked them from contacting me via email – but they keep popping up in spam requesting I supply a copy of my contract ‘if possible’ ….wtf
I called up my job provider agency today to cancel my appointment with them since I’m starting full time employment in a few days. I immediately got asked to provide details about my employer: Company Name, Hours PW, Your Position, Joining Date. I don’t want to tell them that! I feel it’s none of their business! I got this job MYSELF and they have don’t nothing for me other than policing me. I don’t have to tell them, do I? I asked them to let me know why they requested this info, and whether it was in the fine print that I have to, so we’ll see what they respond… I’ll obv inform Centrelink tho. Do I do that best by phoning them or by just reporting my income? Suggestions very welcomed!
Stan ,just ignore them they’re using bullying and intimidation tactics against you for getting a job,they are trying to collect their bonus and to keep you on their books. I think they get paid approx $365.00 per week per client (someone can correct me on that.
Poppy X, DON’T give them anything it is not a requirement only tell Centrelink they are the only ones that need to know ,if you look at my other posts under RACM name I have compiled a list of advice.it is not a requirement that jSAs ask for these things,they may demand this and that,ask them for a copy of the documentation from the department which specifically sets out that you have to provide that info if they cannot they are straight out lying,see my post November 15
If you have any further Queries just post here and I’ll try and help out where I can Til then !
Poppy (Oops! ) also it’s best to phone through that way it’s on record and make sure you write in a diary time date amount and the ref no,that way your covered yourself if something goes wrong Keep a record of everything Good luck
Thank you R.A.C.M., you’re the best! I stood my ground with my job “provider” that called this morning (to say they’ll suspend my payments if I don’t do this and that), and called Centrelink straight away who will create an exemption document that overrides the job plan that I have with the “providers”. Easy peasy. My god I hope I never have to deal with them again, it really has been a demoralising and belittling experience throughout.
The lady from the job provider told me they would NOT contact my employer and I said I could just give her a random business name then and say that I work there? (I figured just for her to tick a box in her database to get off my case pretty much). But no that wasn’t allowed. Haha, I wonder why! I don’t get it. I mean I DO after reading that they get some kind of bonus for each person finding employment (? Is that correct?), and I guess their record have to match Centrelink’s (otherwise how else could they check what I’m saying is true right!?). It’s madness is what it is, and that’s what I don’t get.
I’m happy I found this forum, thanks for your quick response here too, you’re really passionate about this also right!? I’ll be sure to spread the word myself!!
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unemployedworkersunion/right to change ( tap the first one )
JSAs and DES get paid bonuses every time they find employment for jobseekers,they even try to claim money for jobs that jobseekers find themselves. They don’t need to know who you work for or any other B.S they like to spin,their computer system is linked in with Centrelink ,do not believe the B.S about JSAs & DES not contacting employers.
Forget complaining about Centrelink through the normal channels you won’t get pass first base contact the CEO of
Services Australia Ms Rebecca Skinner at. Min.Corro@servicesaustralia.gov.au trust me it works,if anyone has problems/ stories about JSAs & DES let me know I can post a direct contact name for you to contact
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I see that others have had this same issue. I’m with Max Employment. I told them I was working this week, but they didn’t cancel an appointment that I obviously couldn’t make and they rang to demand my payslip. I have a message saying that I didn’t meet a requirement and that I have 2 days to sort it out. What can I do about this? I have had enough of these people. They threaten to report me to Centrelink if I don’t immediately return their calls. They but my payments on hold all the time. Last time I had a job interview in their office with an employer and they didn’t mark me down has having attended. They log into my Seek account and see what jobs I’ve been applying for. They create accounts in my name without telling me. I got like 20 emails from Indeed about jobs I didn’t apply for. I though my account was hacked so I deleted it only to find out later it was Max Employment. Surely I can report them for this.
Well it looks like my dole payments are going on hold – again. I doubt I’ll be getting any this fortnight anyway. And just because I missed an appointment and didn’t give them my payslip.
Ant, I would try to get more hours of work or try to get a second job that way they can’t do a single thing their( Max Emploment) just A#&holes if Centrelink contact you about this take all your evidence to show them. See my other posts under RACM Good luck
Generalized comment:
Jobseekers cannot stress enough if you are working or have medical appointment or have something else to do and cannot attend your appointment always communicate via emails never advise by phone that way it’s recorded at least you have covered yourself from those lying Employment Agencies.Theres a saying: If it’s not written down it never happened also if they fail to record you attending their premises ( if possible take photo ,try to speak to another person as well) send them via email time, date, address and your job consultants name to advise that you attended I.E
I attended
Max Employment Agency
23 Sotty Rd PikeStake
Attended Appointment 10:45 to 11:45
23/5/21
Job Consultant : Joe Blow
Generalized info,
Job Capacity Assessment reports are not reviewable as written in legislation unfortunately one is stuck with whatever garbage is recommended
Centrelink Medical Exemption Certificate – if people have serious medical issues ie seizures , epilepsy , getting radiotherapy for aggressive cancers and Centrelink knock that certificate back despite handing over all documented evidence
1. Lodge a review with Centrelinks ARO
( If Centrelink won’t do a review file a formal complaint via email to ombudsman@ombudsman.gov.au and
cc Min.Corro@servicesaustralia.gov.au )
2. If the ARO sides with Centrelink officer file an appeal with the Administrative Appeals Tribunnal Level 1.
3. If one fails at this level there is Level 2 however,it becomes more involved even though Centrelink won’t accept medical certificates for the same condition it’s still worth fighting for
Hi would like to make sure that your JSP has no right to ask you to send them your payslips? For a job I found myself. Mine asked me and also asked for the job details like everyting from abn to managers details. This is my first dealing with JSP so I want to know the correct info. And also what to say to them?
Thanks
Maria,
Firstly JSP’s have no legal Authority to ask for them ,They are only there to make sure you sign a job plan that’s it nothing else forthwit .
Secondly Centrelink is the only authorized government body that require you to hand over that information they are the ones that pay you not JSPs.
Thirdly It’s none of their F #€#kin business what company you work for, how much you are paid ,what their ABN is and
the Mangers details are.
Lastly Asked them ( JSP ) for the official document from the department that is responsible for them (apology brainfreeze forgotten name ) stating specifically JSPs require :-
Business name of the company
Business ABN
Hours you are working
Payslips
Managers name
If they cannot give you that document ( there is no such document ) specifically listing the above ,they are B.S ing you making things up ,be careful they like to make up their own rules and threaten.
Try to communicate via email that way it’s documented also file a complaint to nationalcustomerserviceline@employment if you have any problems just post I’ll see if I can help check under RACM posts. good luck!
Job Plans and JSPs
Medical info is illegal in a job plan and treatment is not allowed to be written in either, treatment is on a voluntary basis and JSPs are not permitted to order clients to release such info and definately are not allowed to discuss it,All Medical issues are private ,if one is ask to disclose that info to them or to fellow jobseekers in a group setting advise them it’s confidential and it’s none of their business ! Til next time
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I’d like to do a case management course that costs $599 but my job provider has said no to my request for help to pay for the course. This course would help me enormously in the job field. I also asked about any incentive for someone to hire me and they said that it would have to be approved, and wasn’t a certain thing. Is this correct? I’m 58 and have been unemployed for over a year.
Annie B,
Regarding your request for help with payment to do a course you may struggle to get any sort of payment usually if you are offered that job they may help but wouldnt count on it , having been in the same position as you are in I ended up spending my own money to do courses I wanted to do. Having done the courses I was yelled at and told off for doing them in the end I told them to f €#% off because they were useless. If possible try to scrape some money together yourself
Go to Centrelink advised them what you are wanting to do they will tell you what is or not approved you may be able to claim austudy but check with them first don’t bother asking JSP’s they’re useless All the best !
JSPs they’re useless
Also Annie, send email to : nationalcustomerserviceline@employment : requesting information as to what funding JSP’s are to provide for training and in the same email advise them that your provider refuses to help you with funding to do a course check out my other posts under RACM for info to protect yourself
The Great JSP lie
Since the Government handed total control of jobseekers over to JSP Jobseekers have been left to fend for themselves whether it be trying to scrape money together yourself to do a course or pounding the pavement day in day out hoping to score that perfect job that will never appear all the while JSP’s cashing in on the jobseekers who get the job themselves telling them they have to hand over payslips and wanting to know everything in detail about the job, Given the continous problems jobseekers face it’s a never ending cycle JSP’s are useless don’t expect them to help you in any way they just like to lie, threaten and bully you,While jobseekers are force to obide by their mutual obligations JSP don’t give a damn about anything or anyone they set their own agenda and for jobseekers who are not familiar with the system you are viewed as an easy target the systemic rot is prevalent throughout the industry.
Forget the B.S Job Service Providers like to tell you they like to spin shit to people who don’t know so they can sit back and collect as much money as possible without spending money where it is needed ( training ) having experience it myself firsthand after being given a dressing down for spending my own money on courses I wanted to do to have Quailifications on my resume I was left dismayed and dumbfounded at the attitude of JSP who obviously viewed it as not important in trying to get a job,such is the pathetic nature of their behavior gave them a serve back.
JSP are nothing but scum don’t bother asking for help you won’t get it and certainly don’t expect them to go out of their way to find a job for you,having been in and out of the system over the years the changes have been swift and to the point where jobseekers are treated like slaves just to be paid $310 a fortnight and with no help at all. Til Next Time !
How Centrelink and JSP’s Falsifies Documents- by imputing a date on the computer that’s totally different to the date that’s listed on an official government document – brilliant idea !
Hello all. I am a PCP and have been casually employed with consistent work for the past 3 months, however it doesn’t hit the 15 hours a week mark due to the nature of work I am currently doing. My job provider who I’ve only ever had phone appointments with (never met face to face) is demanding my payslips (which I don’t think they have a right to) and keeps telling me that the hours I work is not good enough. I also have an appointments every 2 weeks and to be honest I am started to dread when they ring because they keep telling me the same thing. Another thing is I don’t actually receive Newstart. I am on Single parent payment and family tax but it’s because my youngest is now at school that I have to return to work. I found this work all by myself, they didn’t find it for me. I was also self managing online but all of a sudden it changed without notice and now I have to deal with these people. I haven’t been asked to apply for a certain amount of jobs a month on top of what I am working and I don’t wish to return to what I’m qualified in anymore due to personal reasons. Can I be forced to have my resume sent off for this type of work if I no longer wish to work in that industry? I report what I earn every fortnight to Centrelink on time and I haven’t heard from them with any problems. Terribly confused at to what my rights are. Can anyone please help?
* Asking for payslips
* Feel like I’m being degraded by how they speak to me
* Appointments every 2 weeks
FED UP,
There is no law requiring you to hand over payslips therefore just ignore that request. Even though you don’t received Jobseeker payment you receive single parent payment therefore your circumstances have change since your child has started school,have a look at how many hrs you are able to work ( listed in your document ),their opinion doesnt count regarding your hours of work they have to follow what has been stated, Your lucky only to see them once a fortnight it could be worse like every second day,Regarding your resume because of the government changes you have to apply and accept any jobs even ones which you have qualifications in otherwise they will cut your payment off,If you have any medical and or physical conditions that prevent you from doing certain jobs ( evidence is required ) you cannot be forced into doing it ( it comes under ‘Reasonable Excuse in the Jobplan Guidelines ) See my other tips & advice under RACM posts. If there is anything else I may be able to help with just post on here I’ll see what I can do, I regually browse comments All the best !
JSP’s demanding payslips:- There is no law requiring you to hand over payslips to Job Service Provider they do not require them,they may ask and threaten you with suspension if you don’t comply ( just ignore them ) Centrelink is the only Government Authority you are required to tell they pay you, it none of JSP’s business to know how much you are getting paid
If they ask for them, Ask them for the official document from the department of small business and jobs specifully requesting that info if they can not then they are lying ( THERE IS NO SUCH DOCUMENT !!! ) lodge a formal email to
nationalcustomerserviceline@employment if they keep persisting
JSP’s have to stick to what’s written in the Job Capacity Assessment Report ,Regulations, policy and law is what they have to follow their Opinions ,feelings and attitude doesn’t count
JSP Suspending payment
If your JSP is suspending payment because you didn’t attend your appointment because you were working or GP appointment or you didn’t handover payslips
Send Email to both your JSP and Centrelink ( Min.Corro@servicesaustralia.gov.au ) at the same time prior to event of your unavailability and your reason that way its documented and you have covered your back
As for failure to handover payslips and or hours worked or employers name
Send Email to both your JSP and to ( nationalcustomerserviceline@employment ) that you have been asked by ( Insert your Job service provider ) to handover such info and that if you don’t ( Job service providers name ) have threaten you with payment suspension
Hopefully this should stir things up a bit, the more these agency know the better position you will be in, for more tips see my posts under RACM Til next time
Also you could also send a copy of that email ( JSP ) to Centrelink to show that your job service provider has threaten you with payment suspension because you didn’t handover that information, Hopefully you might get some feedback
I am a single parent and my son has turned 6. I want to study yet am finding it difficult to find a provider who knows that I do not have to be looking for work. I just want to study for my mutual obligations. Maybe work part time aswell. But not looking for work.
Also, none of them seem to understand that you don’t have to sign anything on the first appointment. Who do I call, who do I go to? Who is the top of the ladder in this situation. Tha k God I havea medical certificate right now, but I want to get a computer and start studying even though I am exempt with medical certificate… how do they get away with this and how am I supposed to go about this now?
Franki, If you have a Centrelink Medical Exemption Certificate then you are excluded from searching for work and that includes studying until it expires Job service providers are not permitted to force jobseekers who are medical exempt to look for work check with Centrelink to make sure their system lists the exemption. All providers are the same totally useless they like to make up their own rules just ignore them: You are allowed 48 hrs to go over your job plan do not sign on the spot Lastly you can send an email to nationalcustomerserviceline@employment an file a complaint with them.if there’s anything else, I may be able to help just leave a post here check out my other posts under RACM
Franki, having said that , you didn’t say what was listed on your certificate,check to see what is mention on the document IE can you work so many hours or can you study so many hours if it does say that then that’s a different scenario as opposed to cannot work or study at all
Job Capacity Assessments by Allied health professionals be extremely careful how you answer them do not trust them as they will lie and imput their own opinions and feelings into the report without seeing your medical history they won’t seek further info from your GP and they do not care one bit they are only paper pushes also note you can file a complaint against them if you feel they have behaved in an unprofessional behavior with AHPRA however they won’t release any details of your complaint but your complaint will remain on their record. Til next time !
Imo only those not reporting correctly have issues with supplying payslips, If your provider has financially supported you to get a job by all means you should supply payslips, by not doing this it causes issues for the next person who might require support to attend job interviews and clothing to food and transportation, no one is obligated to continue with centrelink payments and you can cancel that online at mygov.If your double dipping between wages and centrelink support you will get caught and you face a harsh penalty and robo debts they harass you more then a job provider will ever will. Your centrelink is cut off after 6 fortnights its not had to organise to have phone interviews if you are currenty at work that day.. communicate with them life will be much easier for you.
SickOfWhingers,
Your a Dickhead, A senator( forget her name ) was asked this specific question at a senate hearing regarding should Jobseekers hand over payslips she said there is no law that jobseekers have to hand over,if you had bother to read my info under R.A.C.M name Centrelink and the ATO are the only government bodies that require you to hand over such info also I stated that if JSPs asked for payslips asked them for the official government document requesting jobseekers handover there payslips. I have not seen anyone on here posting about double dipping between wages and Centrelink, I stand behind everything I have said given I have had 2 and half years collecting information from various sources about what actually goes on, lastly I don’t see you supporting people on here wanting to know where they stand. Unless you have something intelligent to say suggest you stay in your closet make sure you don’t let the door hit you in the back.While you have every right and respect to voice your opinion and on here,at least I can help people out to the best of my knowledge who cannot avocate for themselves on what is really going on !
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I’m currently in a state of flux and I’m not sure what to do with centerlink…. I have two bulging discs on my l4-l5 and l5-s1 with a bone spur pushing on a nerve (24/7 pain) I also have an autoimmune disease (ankalysing spondyolitis) which attacks all the joints in my back – imagine rheumatoid arthritis in every joint in your back.. I have a job in an office for 22.5 hrs a week which I can’t do and I am currently awaiting a TPD Claim on my super so I can get surgery on my back to burn nerves, all other surgeries have been deigned unsuitable as I also have degenerative disc disease which means if they fuse any vertebrae now I’ll end up having to fuse all my vertebrae – my doctor has said it won’t be a case of if I will need a wheelchair but when…….
I have chronic asthma, major depression and anxiety, chronic insomnia, chronic fatigue, and I have tried to kill myself several times in the last three months because I just can’t take being so sick all the time, I can’t even stand for 5mins without needing to lay down, if I cook my wife breakfast and make her a coffee I can’t get out of bed for the rest of the day.
Along with all of that I have pain in my legs and knees and feet from my backs nerve pain, the drugs I’m on for pain relief don’t work but it’s worse without them…. I can’t drive and I can’t attend job services or centerlink without my wife taking me but she can’t cause she works.
I’ve been denied the disability pension, but they’ve given me a pension card because they realise I’m not in a good way, they’ve told me I need help medically etx….. but I can’t have exemptions from looking for a job because I have all these chronic issues that aren’t temporary, and that I am essentially disabled – but I can’t get disability because my disease and infirmities are ever changing so they will never be fully treated and stabilised….
I had one centerlink nurse tell me she’s never seen someone as young as I am (34) with back mri’s as bad as I have…. She told me I should be on disability but then someone else said no.
So now they want me to get a job, but I have one that pays $58 an hour that I can’t do, which is office work…..and if I do work I won’t be eligible for my TPD which then means I need to wait for three years (already waited two) for the nerve burns to help relive pain instead of paying for it myself…. So because I can’t get my tpd I can’t get my surgery which means I can’t work ….
It’s very confusing and I just want to die..
Dale, I know how you feel I have a few of those issues you have,unfortunately we are stuck between a rock and a hard place because our issues are not temporary cannot keep getting exemptions for the same thing because of legistations if we are getting continous treatment we cannot get DSP we just go round and round in circles,Don’t give up Centrelink staff are just following policy and unfortunately we ‘re at the wrong end, have been on Centrelinks back for the last 3 years over their BS JCAR because the people who do them are just Allied Health professionals beaucrats who just tick boxs and imput their own opinion without doing proper investigations ( I think their getting sick and tired of me,have drag them thru almost every single tribunal, Ombudsman,Commission and department and still going ) if you read up on my other posts under RACM for some other info you will know what goes on and what you can do,if there’s anything else that I maybe able to help with just post on here GOOD LUCK !
my job provider keeps making me do all these different courses that i’m not trying to work towards and i’ve also asked them for help on getting my white card as i had work lined up and it was essential to have, i feel as though they’re trying to run me in circles instead of helping me find work, other job networks have told me im being stuffed around and need to change providers, that is also something else theyre trying to prevent
Riki-Hana Ross, it sounds like they are screwing you around I would suggest you phone and email nationalcustomerserviceline@employment demand a transfer outlining the reason,if they don’t you have every right to complain to the ombudsman,if you read my other statements under R.A.C.M name I have provide some more info that maybe of help.All the best
If JSPs are making you do all these ridiculous courses that are of no benefit it may sound like that they are somehow rorting the system,if that is the case make sure you write everything in a dairy Time,Date,Month,Persons name,organization name and every conversation every single detail that way you have evidence as to what is going on that way you are covered because hard evidence is hard to dismiss.
It is Exremely important to document everything in a diary regardless if it is trivial or major it is your only source of evidence you can use against these organizations without it, it’s your word against them unfortunately they win you have to cover yourself
What you need to do write in your diary
Organizations business name
Contact persons name
Time, Date,Month
Who you spoke
Write down all conversations IE Questions response everything
Has to be recorded in a proper diary that way the door is not left wide open for the other side to dispute ,Hard written evidence is the key
ESAT reports- when you have one of these done you are allowed a copy of it,if they refuse to hand a copy of it over you can FOI request if they still refuse it’s time to lodge complaint with Commonwealth Ombudsman
Job plan document- when you receive this do not sign it on the spot take it home and carefully read through every paragraph line by line it’s Extremely important to pay close attention to their wording and how its worded/portrayed also it’s advisable to compare what the ESAT report says to what the job plan says if need be to make alterations , if the JSP refuses to accept the amended document you have the right to take it to Centrelink to take action.
If you have pre existing injuries and dont tell the employer and get injured work cover will not cover you ( from my own experience I re aggravated an old injury and my claim was denied because I didn’t disclose it )
If I am on jobseeker, and get a part time job for 3 days a week, with an income of $740 per week, that would mean I don’t get any jobseeker payment? But the job is only temporary, it will end in 6 months. After that I will need to get jobseeker payments again. Can I stay on jobseeker because the job I have is only temporary? If I have to go off it, does that mean if I save money and have more than $11,000 in my bank that I cannot get back onto Jobseeker for 3 months?
Anne, Spot on, unfortunately that’s the way it’s set up once you’ve reach Centrelinks income limit all these items kick in.Stuck between a brick wall and a rock,no one wins
Centerlink Medical Certificates
– if you have any Pre existing medical conditions and you aggrevate it make sure your GP states on the form temporary exacerbation of permanent condition and also put ” no ” in the ‘ can the patient do any work for 8 hrs or more per week ‘ section that way Centrelink will accept it if your GP writes permanent you will have nil chances Centrelink will not accept it because they only allow you 1 certificate for that condition.
Job plan- Only sign the job plan document, do not sign the pivacy sharing document this document allows the JSAs to hound employers and other departments effectively by signing this document you are signing your rights away and you will have no recourse if something goes wrong you are not required to sign it ,forget their threats,intimdations and bullying they are using these tactics to force jobseekers to sign it right there and then under the giusie of we need to confirm you are being being paid the right amount and how many hours you are working.
Job Interviews & activites – if you are sent to a job interview and or activites and you have any Pre existing
medical conditions It’s important to let them know, that way you have covered yourself,if your JSP suspends your payment because you cannot do the task stopping you from reporting to Centrelink,make sure to ring Centrelink advised them that you had informed either the perpective employer or the activity provider that you
have medical conditions ( its covered by law ) (it’s classed as reasonable excuse ) if Centrelink refuse to unlock he suspension have it reviewed and then if that fails you can lodge an appeal with the AAT
Job plan Guidlines Pages 2&3
Section 1.3.4 must not include anything that would
aggravate the condition
Section 1.7 Your right to reject unsuitable work
Work cover act 2003 – it is a requirement to advise perspective employers of any Pre existing injuries that may aggravate your condition whilst working.
When you meet with your case manager (if you want to ) tell them everything about what medical conditions you have even though it can be uncomfortable it’s best to be open that way you have nothing to hide and everything to gain as it’s confidential your protected under the pivarcy act you have to cover yourself just remember you have to come out on top when dealing with these rude people ( from my own experiences I have always gotten my way ) Happy New Year 2022 !
Keep up the fight !!!
Signing of a job plan,
When it comes to signing a job plan I highly recommend jobseekers insert V.C before your name name as an example :- V.C Joe blow
V.C stands for Vi Coactus it means having been forced or having been compelled
That way when Centrelink staff see that they know what it means and that the job plan was signed under duress out of fear of having your payments suspended,there is nothing to stop you from doing it and neither Centrelink nor Job Service providers can stop you! Til next time
I have recently started a casual job, currently the hours are irregular but should stabilize over the next few months, most pay periods my income will be high enough so I wont get any payment from Centrelink, but my job search provider still wants me to attend appointments every 3 weeks, do I really have to attend appointments when I’m not getting any payment from Centrelink, I still want to stay in the Centrelink system for the times when I don’t get so many shifts.
Normie,
Given the way the system has been set up ,unfortunately one is stuck, from my understanding/ thinking is that to be fully off Centrelink:-has to be perminant part time over 25hrs per week of work not receiving any Centrelink payments for 6 weeks
Anyone who is working in a casual job is stuck in this horrible system it doesn’t matter if hours are all over the place it has no bearing you still have to attend job provider appointments as long as your on Centrelinks system unfortunately your stuck I have heard some are just leaving Centrelink altogether even though they only work casual ,I can’t advise you which way you should go,Lastly under no circumstances hand over your payslips it’s not their requirement for you to do so.If there’s anything else I may be able to help you with just post on here I’ll see what I can do All the best !
I am suffering depression anxiety anger issues mood disorders borderline bi polar ,Which is effecting my capability to work or hold down a job,Centrelink didn’t accept my last med certificate saying it’s not enough and my issues are manageable not chronic,Yet I have been suffering this disorders some 15 years, Centrelink said I am capable of working 15 hours per week which I am happy with and capable of doing,Yet my job network provider has me looking for jobs 20 per month and saying I need full time work plus need to show constant proof off job applications,I try my best too,They demanding screen shots and emails etc,I feel like they don’t believe I am trying,Then they say I’m better just going for DSP,Yet my psychologist which they provided said my issues are not enough for a DSP,Plus I don’t really want to be a DSP,I want to work but my criminal and mental health is going against me holding me back,Then I have them ringing me every two weeks wondering why I can’t land a job or interviews,I haven’t worked now in 3 years,It’s causing me great stress but along with that my high anxiety makes it worse,I’m so lost and stressed and get stressed more with these providers lecturing me or demanding to know my health and mental health status,I also don’t want to be vaccinated and every job they are referring me to is like oh must be vaccinated,This really stresses me and I feel lost and confused and angry,I’m at my wits end
Joshua,
I feel for you these JSP are just straight out assholes they just like to bully and intimidate people with mental health issues,JSPs have to go by whats stated in your ESAT report not what they want you to do forget their BS what I would do is write everything down in a diary time,date,month,all conversations everything,Unfortunately you cannot ask for a review of the ESAT report if possible go to your GP and ask to see an independant public Psychologist for a report and treatment don’t listen to their BS Psychologist,your health and mental health status is none of their business that’s between you,your GP and Centrelink. jSPs role is only to make sure you have signed a job plan and to send you for job interviews that’s it,they are not permitted to send you for treatment for your health issues its in the job plan guidelines
Regarding Vaccinations, if you don’t want to be vaccinated that is your right they cannot force you if they send you to a job that requires it do not worry just record it in a diary. DSP it’s extremely hard to get it these days actually it’s impossible as you’ve mention that you have criminal and health issues it’s best to be upfront with employers ( even though it’s degrading and likely that they don’t want you ) that way you have covered all bases you are legally protected under the work cover act disclosure of Pre-existing conditions See my other posts under RACM name for more info.
Lastly, Make sure you have/or get a copy of your ESAT report which you are entitled to go through the whole document than compare that with your job plan both documents have to list the same thing,don’t worry about all the BS the JSP says they do those things to bully and threaten jobseekers who don’t know what the rules are don’t let them get to you they re just thugs. If there’s anything else I maybe able to help you with just post on here. Good Luck
JSP – medical treatments
Job Service &DES providers are not permitted to send you to have treatment its in the job plan guidelines they can only include that if you voluntary want to continue to have treatment also if they refer you to their own specialist to have treatment that to is not permitted.They are not allowed to ask you about your current medical and or mental health updates its none of their business they are not your health care specialists that is medical privacy only your GP, your own medical specialist and Centrelink is privy to this info not the JSP and DES agencies
The JSP and DES agencies role is to abide by department polices, Centrelinks rules and their own contract with the government, they are required to make sure jobseekers sign a job plan and to make sure that you are carrying out your mutual obligations that’s it not else. more info will be posted further in time !
Pre existing injuries , when you get a job either by yourself or through JSP if you don’t tell the employer that you any Pre existing injuries and you get hurt or aggrevate it you are not covered by Workcover- Non disclosure of Pre existing injuries therefore you have no recourse against either party
Communication- always insist on email communication only otherwise this will lead to problems further down the track of she said this or he said that,that way there is always a paper trail and they cannot dispute the facts don’t accept verbal communication whats so ever
Thanks for the reply this JSP is very nosey asking me about my mental health ,Also she is saying that it is my job to phone her every two weeks as I’m not allowed into their office because I’m not so called vaccinated,What if I have no credit to phone? The past two years they have been phoning me there’s never been a problem,Today she is talking to me like it’s my job to phone her,
I also didn’t get approved for the DSP,It seems being depressed for 15 years suffering from anxiety and adult autism is treatable and not chronic,
Joshua, I hear ya email the national customer service line ask them whether it is your job or JSP job to ring you I’m pretty sure it’s their job i wouldn’t be to concern at least you wouldn’t have to look at her ugly face ( lol ).DSP is very hard to get because of change of rules basically no one will get it, everyone is thrown in the same basket and expected to work regardless of what disabilities or other condition one has. one size fits all is the governments moto!
DSP – DSP is very hard to get on to ever since the previous government changed the rules you have zilch chances of being successful regardless the amount of medical documents one sends in unless you want to spend 5 years ( lol ) jumping through hoops,appealing decisions,reviews etc it’s a waste of time everyone is treated the same thrown all in the same basket saving government truck loads of money at the expense of those who have major health,mental and other issues who are being forced to work and threaten by JSP/DES agencies if they don’t follow their Mutual Obligations requirements
Awesome post and very informative!
Hi so I landed a job by myself last week, Applied got interview started next day,JN happened to ring and forward me for a job,I said I got a job start tomorrow , They have been texting me asking for details then said they will ring the job site with or without my consent,This morning they rang me I answered and said I’m working that’s it,Gave no details,Now they are emailing me asking for consent to call my employer,I’m reluctant to do this as I feel they are now going to try take the credit for me getting the job myself,I don’t have to reply or give any consent right? This job consultant guy is really pushy,Why does he want the details so much? I don’t have to give them Payslips or consent to anything right?
Joshua, Congrats on your job,under no circumstances are you required to hand over your payslips,there is no requirement by law to do so,secondly what ever you do do not sign the consent form allowing him to contact the employer he wants that info to claim the bonus payment just ignore his request if he keeps up ask him for the official government Department document which specifically REQUEST that jobseekers must had over their payslips ( answer there is no such document ) if you have any further problems just post on here I will help you out
Thanks RACM well last week they phoned me asking details of my employment and employer ,I informed them that Centrelink already seems to have those details,They then asked for my payslips I said no,Payslips are a private matter,I have already declared my income to Centrelink anyway,She started going on about data matching and just to make sure I’m getting the right pay,I said don’t worry I am,Then started to bribe me with petrol vouchers and opal top ups,But provided I give payslips or receipts for my work clothes,They then said I don’t have to do job search anymore yet me job services account Is still saying I need to apply for 20 jobs per month,Anyway they called again a week later,Again asking for payslips I just said sorry don’t have any,Then she started asking my hourly rate and taxes,I just said works out about $30 per hour and 20% tax and not to worry I’m getting good money and the job is ongoing and stable ,I think she got the point she’s not getting my payslips,It’s making me anxiety go up though because I feel they will do all they can to get my payslips or start pestering my employer?? This has happened me previously
Centrelink are now cracking down on excessive use of Medical exemption certificates they won’t allow jobseekers to use them if they have used them before for prior conditions and for aggravations of Pre existing conditions I tried and got rejected twice
Joshua, Well done stick to the advice I gave you if they ask you again for your payslip and employment details ask them to put that request in writing along with other statements,then ask them for the official Government document which specifically states jobseekers are required to handover payslips ( Answer:- there is no such document ) then report them to the government department responsible for them ( forgot name(mental block) than just ignore their BS crap about data matching and bribing you with things. What ever you do Don’t
1. Hand over any payslips
2. Information about your job and your employers work details
3. Do Not sign the Privacy Document
Lastly their role is to make sure you are doing what is set down in your job plan nothing else, Centrelink and A T O are the only organizations that you have to hand over that information if you are earning over Centrelinks fortnight income threshold for six weeks you will be taken off their books,Just ignore your JSP/DES provider their just shit stirring you up Congrats on getting the job !
Thank you,They called again ,Trying their sweet talk, conversation sort of went like this “oh hey how’s work,That’s good etc,I can see you’ve been reporting to Centrelink oh hey so can we request your payslips just so we know it’s right payment and just for our records” Me:No You can’t if you know I been reporting to Centrelink then you’d know how much I getting,Them:We only see your hours and we know roughly how much you getting but we need proof for our records,Me: No I’ve told you three times now you not getting them under what deceleration and what obligation am I required to give you my payslips? I’ve rang the DES and they have told me I am not required to hand over my payslips,She went quite then blabbering on about how I’m still on their system and not full time employee yet therefore I am required to give my payslips to them in order for them to help me while still working until I’m off Centrelink books?? Hmmm conversation went awkward but I told them you’re not getting them and that I will just cancel Centrelink myself since I’m earning enough income now,She said I still got 5 weeks left until I’m cut off but she will talk to her manager about the requirement that I am to give over my payslips,I think she got the point ,But why such the push to get my payslips?
Joshua, Government department complaint details are Email :- nationalcustomerserviceline@employment
It’s advisable to communicate via email that way it’s all documented and they cannot lie or cover their tracks (JSP/DES ) I would file a complaint with the Govenment Department via email make sure you have all correspondence (emails ) without that it’s your word against theirs you have to have proof without it there’s no hope see my other posts relating to what’s needed if you have all the evidence then file complaint,if they rule in your favor sent an email to your JSP/DES advise them to quit asking if that fails you can take them to AAT ( free ) for another ruling. You have to have emails from JSP/DES ) to back your complaint up without it,it’s like fighting a losing battle
They’ve sent me an email wanting my 4 week confirmation of employment,They’ve somehow got my hours and pay but the ending dates are wrong,They want me to reply my full name and number ,Have they rang my employer?The email is from the manager with my case consultant also in the email tagged,I will just ignore it maybe even block the sender?
They are phoning me again this time I’m ignoring the call,They are calling me at a time they know I’ve finished work ,What do they want I am working ,I do not need to talk to them, Surely this is now becoming harrassment??
Josh, Just record everything down in a diary ignore their BS, phone calls, crap etc she can talk to her manager or humpty dumpty or even scrooge mc duck all she wants there’s no law requiring you to hand over your payslip,they want your payslips to claim their bonus that’s why they are harassing you Do Not give them anything do not respond to their email request for your full name and phone number they do not need confirmation for their records thats just Bullshit! Centrelink is the only department that require your work information not JSP In my opinion I would just head into Centrelink tell them you want to cancel Jobseeker immediately,after you have done that then block them.
Job Service Providers roll is to make sure a job plan has been signed and that you are following your plan all the other
stuff they blurt out is just Bullshit they’re just making up their own rules IGNORE THEM
Josh, if they request your payslips Request from them the Offical Government Documentation Use template below
EG :- To ( insert case manager name ) also cc ) nationalcustomerserviceline@employment in your email Having been contacted and spoken to on several occasions that you have requested from me that you want my payslips to confirm that I am being paid the correct amount, I hereby request from you the Official Government Documentation from the Department specifically clearly stating jobseekers are required to handover their payslips to make sure jobseekers are being pay correctly.! ( dont include this FYI there’s no such document )
Fair Work is the Government department responsible for the correct payment of money if you need info about whether
you are being paid the correct amount contact Fair Work not JSP, let me know how you go Stick to what you have said don’t bow down to them
Hi I’m in small town and at the moment closes Provide is 80k away I don’t have car atm put iv been speeded bacsic told to bad in do i get there is that far is there anything i can do ur should i just be homeless
Nathan, it’s typical of these A$$holes to suspend jobseekers for anything and everything,Job service providers have to take into account someone’s circumstances that includes transport issues,file a complaint email to
nationalcustomerserviceline@employment advise them what has occurred if they don’t do anything file for a review with Centrelink if they don’t do anything then file an application at the AAT for a hearing (all free no cost ) make sure you have all evidence Eg. Email correspondence ,all other correspondence , replies ,diary entries , letters take them with you.let me know if there’s anything else I’ll help you
General info,
As everyone knows that people with disabilities are now being forced to look for jobs one way of getting around that,is to use Disclosure of pre existing laws when applying for jobs,this law protects you therefore if your JSP/DES suspends your payment you can evoke that law I have used it all the time if you can’t work,you can’t work,employers cannot be forced to hire you if you are up front you have nothing to hide you are simply stating and abiding by the law JSP/DES cannot do anything about it.if they advise you not to say it if they want to push it you can file a complaint with nationalcustomerserviceline@employment advised them that your provider is pushing you to break the law then file a review with Centrelink then if you want you can go to the AAT drag them through every single department.Till next tme !
All good so far they rang me other day at 1230 this time ,Trying to catch me during work hours,Told them I’m working,Ok fair enough need our assistance then call us,We had a guy from the job network at our Jobsite,He is now not here the job network was telling him this job is not for him and that he could use his intelligence for other jobs,Mind you this was his first full time hours job 40 hours a week and $30 per hour,I thought they would be happy for him doing that,Considering his first full time hours job and his mental and physical health and improved while working here? They did get him this job though from what he was saying?
Josh, Well Done just be careful what you say just from the research I’ve done sometimes JSP/DES will scope out business that jobseekers are working at ,through finding ways of collecting information then harassing the employer resulting in the jobseeker being sacked
General info
Jobseekers
Do not sign document relating to allowing JSP/DES to speak or act on your perhalf to the employer as this opens the door for the job agencies to abuse the research I’ve done the job agencies will scope out places and sometimes will just pop in unannounced gathering information then will start to harass employers for more job places,when starting a new job do not tell the job agency the business name or anything else referencing your new job it’s none of The job agencies business if they ring ignore them Centrelink is the only department that needs to know
Attending Job Agency Appointment
When attending an appointment having been in the system for so long I always give minimal answers and speak very little I just seat quietly listening to their BS and write down EVERYTHING having inside knowledge Job service providers will write a report and send through to Centrelink just be careful when replying and what you say and tone of voice used as you will have no clue what they will write it’s Imperative to write down everything they say and give little information back it’s the only way to mount a case against them if they take action against you for whatever they wish, you have to be thinking ahead of them. When you are attending face to face make sure you Also note down their body language,their tone of voice facial expressions all these things will be of benefit for you if the time comes that you have to defend yourself ,Centrelink does the same thing with customers so you can do the same to JSPs !
They called again “Hello how’s work That’s good” “I can see you are reporting your hours and income to Centrelink which is good now we just need proof of it,Did you get our email we sent you need to write back agreed I agree” oh what email maybe it went to my junk mail,No we have it here it was sent along with your hours and hourly rate oh no sorry can’t find it,Oh you need to agree to it so we have it for our records,But you got records you just told me you can see I’m declaring to Centrelink ? Yes but you are still on our system for another few weeks,I said oh yes that email yes I see it but those hours and pay rate are wrong that you have,Ohh that’s why we need proof by giving us your payslips,Na Centrelink or the tax agency can get a hold of them shall need be not you guys,Your job is to make sure I’m obliging by my job plan,I am doing 40 hours per week and declaring my income to Centrelink,Where on my job plan does it say I need to prove it to you guys ? I then said sorry I got to go in in the middle of driving a truck right now and got a delivery to drop ,I then hung up,Can they do anything ?
They also said I need to come on,I said how can I come in when I am working? Oh can you come in after work? Not really I finish at 4 and on the public transport traffic is crazy at that time so I doubt I’ll be able to,Oh fine we will just phone you then but we need proof you are working!!
Josh, just ignore her Bull$h%#%t she’s just making it up as she goes ,when she phones you asking for proof you are working tell her she’s not getting it,secondly tell her shes not getting payslips either lastly they can’t do anything either because you are working and are following your obligations final send her an email quoting :-
FINAL NOTICE
(Insert person name ) You are not getting my payslips or anything thing else period
Do not agree to anything you are fulfilling your job plan that’s all that counts,Centrelink knows what your doing that’s all that counts to hell with her bullshit crap,well done just stick to the info I’ve given you!
Josh, For your info
Senate Standing Committee on Education and Employment 2017 – 2018
Senator Kakoschke – Moore
The Senator was ask is it a requirement that jobseekers must handover their payslips to their JSP following a huge amount of emails and calls to her office regarding the behavior of JSP,her answer to the Senate hearing was that IT IS NOT a requirement,however they can request it not demand it , following my extensive research into this matter when they get given someone’s payslip they get paid, basically get paid while sitting on their ass’s to do S.F.A by saying they got you the job and to threaten jobseekers by reporting them to Centrelink for failing to handover them,who then suspends the jobseekers payment. JSP have access to Centrelinks computer system,given her response JSP do not require this info for their own records because they can see it on Centrelinks computer system,following DEWR ( Department of Employment and Workplace Relations ) advice it is not a requirement therefore JSP are just spinning bullshit and you Do not have to agree to their request. A request is not law therefore follow my advice and that of the Department just ignore her,don’t whatever you do hand them over and never agree to do it,do not trust or accept their bullshit crap because they will lie and make things up ,given her continual stance and hounding on insisting you agree to handover your
payslips she’s desperate to get more money even though your still registered with the JSP there is nothing she can do to you legally you are working 40hrs a week and meeting your Centrelink obligations therefore don’t worry about her request she just won’t accept no for an answer she has major psychological issues:- Pejorative syndrome – showing a lack of respect and Pseudologia Fantastica : describes the actions of a habitual compulsive liar. Having noted her actions towards you this behavior is evidence throughout the whole Job Agency industry they cannot accept being told/refuse requests ( sort of throwing a tantrum ) it’s purely ego and money driven and they will do anything and everything to get there bonus even if they operate outside their contract obligations it’s obvious to me she won’t stop until you have exited their system just hang in for a few more weeks just ignore her requests and limit your conversations and don’t respond to her requests, she’s trying to find ammunition to use against you,play it safe ,stand your ground, I’m in a situation a present different to yours but I’m standing my ground if they try to push me I’ve got several options up my sleeve which they won’t like and won’t know what hit them anyway hope this helps Thumbs up!
work hours that is record by Centrelink
I have been told by my job link mob that if they use funding to help fix my car being rural I need a car as there is no public transport or Uber’s so they will only help use funding if I lie to get a full time job even when I’m a single parent with a 10 yr old and should only Be on partime work . They also said that if I tell them about having to take time off for my kids medical appointments or state that I will be studying if that then causes the employer to not hire me they will put me down as non compliant and I’m assuming that will stop my payments which the puts me in the risk of homelessness again . Who can I get help to advocate for me ?
Jaime-lee Bayliss, First off what ever you do,do not lie it will get you in further trouble always tell the truth be up front document everything that way you have nothing to hide send an email to nationalcustomerserviceline@employment requesting info about what funding the JSP are to provide don’t listen to the BS crap JSP tell you,they will always lie to your face.
Lastly always keep a diary with you write down date, time, person name, everything that was said regardless if it’s trivial or major that way you have a record it’s your best defense to use against them if possible try to get them to communicate via email or by letter always keep your email/letter correspondence that way everything is on record you have to protect yourself against these thugs they have to abide by what’s documented in the job plan and department guidelines what ever you do,do not at this stage complain to DEWR( Department of Employment &Workplace Relations ) also do not tell your JSP that your keeping notes in a dairy the more evidence you have against them the better outcome you have if they take adverse action against you emails don’t lie, there’s a saying :- if it’s not written down it never happened
if you have any more concerns just post on here
Jamie, Also write down what you have said in your post what they told you about funding and to lie,they must take into consideration that your car is not working and that your child has medical issues it’s falls under reasonable excuse guidelines
Well they didn’t phone me for a month,I think they got the point I’m working and I got the job myself so stop asking me for my payslips, then of course this afternoon after 4pm they call on a mobile number,I ignore and check my voice mail hi this is such and such from ,These people never give up,I’m into my 14th week now of work so I’m guessing they want their payout and again demanding my payslips this time it’s their manager calling ,
Josh, if you read my post 28th september you will understand the psycholgical issues this woman has and it’s wide spread throughout the JSP industry its all greed and power driven I see it with my provider I’m one step ahead of these idiots and see what is going on even before they spin such bullshit to me,you just can’t reason with dickheads no matter what you tell them, Well done they’re just assholes trying to catch you off guard just ignored them block their number if you can,I did with mine.
Thanks took your advice well and I’m now officially off Centrelink 15 weeks now with full time employment,Yet they have still rang me three times since the past week a manager calling from a mobile number ,If I’m no longer on Centrelink system they shouldn’t be calling me right? Time to block the number ,Never once the whole two years I was with them did they do anything for me apart from two interviews one a year,Now that I’m suddenly employed and off my own accord they been calling every two weeks demanding payslips which I told them I’m not obliged to give you them ,They then sent an email saying consent to giving my employer information, I ignored then told them I do not consent plus told them the hourly pay rates where wrong which they made up and days I was working ,She then got her manager to phone me,Who I have been ignoring,I am officially of Centrelink so I don’t need to answer to anyone right,Unless Centrelink rings me themselves or the taxation Office?
Josh, Congrats now that you are off Centrelink you are no longer obliged to communicate with them and you are not answerable to anyone, ignore and block them as I stated previously the women have psychological issues no matter what you tell them they wont accept no,don’t communicate with them time to move forward enjoy your new job forget about their B.S
Thanks mate well almost a week off no call and tonight I settle down for my dinner and the phone goes it’s a Brisbane or Perth number I think scam call ignore,Check my voice mail and it’s them again, Seems they will stop at nothing even ringing from interstate phone numbers now to try get a hold of me,You are right she is crazy,Ruined my dinner now as I keep thinking will they leave me alone,I’m off Centrelink so why are they still calling
Josh, They are trying to get your payslips to claim money from the government for finding you work ! All that you can do is 1. just ignore them / don’t answer the call 2. Block their number. they’ve got Psychological issues
You are right about that pal this thing has now rang me on three different numbers and I’m off Centrelink ,Sending me texts offering me financial assistance petrol vouchers etc,I’m good thanks,I’m capable of finding my own means of transportation and clothing thank you,I appreciate the offer but my days off Centrelink are over so please stop bothering me,
She is still continues to call me even though I’ve blocked three numbers,I’m getting voice mail asking to call her back, Mentioning something about I’m still on the system for up to twelve months after I gain employment,I don’t have to answer or give her any information at all right??
I know I don’t have to give my payslips to my job agency, but they keep harrassing my employer to send them my payslips, saying if they don’t, they won’t be able to get any government funding for employing me (something about a $10,000 grant & they recieve $5k after 6months & the rest after 12months of keeping me employed)
My agency didn’t even get me this job, inform me about the job or anything, I literally got it myself and told them I had found a job and they then told me to tell the employer that I came with a $10k grant because of my age and because I was registered with a JSP.
Is this legal? Can they obtain my payslips directly from my employer without my consent or knowledge?
No they can’t ,Did you give them consent to contact your employer? If not then don’t I repeat don’t hand over anything to them,Be careful also if they send out a form requesting you to sign it ,They can obtain even forge your signature from that,Ignore them,Just do your reporting to Centrelink as usual or if you are off Centrelink now then you have no reason to communicate with your ex job network provider
This is a joke, your all pathetic losers and you dont even deserve to be “given” the dole. Bunch of whining, self entitled, unskilled leaches crying about nothing. This is why you should have paid more attention at school, developed better goals and focus on how to reach them, create a drive and instilled a solid work ethic, be less entitled, be less whingy, start at the bottom, work your way up, become a master of your craft. Then, and only then do you have the right to negotiate your worth knowing what your worth actually is and not be delusional or unrealistic about your value to a company or employer. If you are good at what you do. Employers will give you what ever you want and fight to keep you as part of their team. Who here can honestly boast that they have had multiple employers fighting to offer you the best employment deal? Gee, I wonder why, you all seem like superstars.
Arrogant Steve. I guess it’s why we live in Australia and not some third-world s***hole, to be given a fair go. You assume that Centrelink isn’t a horror system that pays below the poverty line and isn’t designed to make people desperate enough to take any sort of lesser abuse, when us jobseekers on Centrelink know first hand how it really is. With the undermining of workers conditions, pay, and automation, there always needs to be a fair social security system that puts people into genuine work without harassment. There are few positions at the top of the pyramid that are very rewarding, the least we can do for jobseekers is treat them humanely.
Am I obliged to provide employment details including payslips and hours worked, to the Job Services provider? The provider has not given me any assistance to find job, I found and successfully applied on my own.
However the provider has been calling me several times a day (yesterday I had 13 missed calls from Wise!) every day (Mon-fri) and has reported me to Centrelink for non compliance.
I’ve been reporting my hours and pay to Centrelink. I still receive a small portion of my PPS benefit and Family Tax payments.
What are my rights?
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I’m self employed and went on centrelink for those quieter times if got no work but still had to pay bills. I was with 1 provider who knew about my contract and never asked for details, as I’m not actually employed by them. I switched branches to somewhere closer to where I now reside, still same agency and they said I had to provide the details. Is this true? I don’t get why one branch didn’t ask for almost a year and the other demanded it on my first visit
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